would camshaft help my Vtec
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would camshaft help my Vtec
Hey i have a 95 accrod ex (F22b1 Vtec). im thinking about getting stage 2 camshaft to help my vtec kick in harder. im not sure if that would helps with the vtec. i like to have my vtec kick in harder. whats a good way to do it if you can? would a vtec controller help make the vtec hit hard or only make it kick in faster.
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Re: would camshaft help my Vtec
wow. this thread is full of win.
first of all, having VTEC "kick in" harder or faster is not the most important thing in the world. More like having a fully built engine, which will result in more power.
And go ahead and slap this stage 2 cam in, and see how long your head lasts.......and maybe some valve kissing.
There is a lot to this stuff, and there is no super easy way to just gain a bunch of power. Start with the basics. The more air you can get in with the proper amount of fuel, the better the burn, which results in more power. Throw on a CAI, headers and exhaust. Start there.
first of all, having VTEC "kick in" harder or faster is not the most important thing in the world. More like having a fully built engine, which will result in more power.
And go ahead and slap this stage 2 cam in, and see how long your head lasts.......and maybe some valve kissing.
There is a lot to this stuff, and there is no super easy way to just gain a bunch of power. Start with the basics. The more air you can get in with the proper amount of fuel, the better the burn, which results in more power. Throw on a CAI, headers and exhaust. Start there.
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Re: would camshaft help my Vtec
wow. this thread is full of win.
first of all, having VTEC "kick in" harder or faster is not the most important thing in the world. More like having a fully built engine, which will result in more power.
And go ahead and slap this stage 2 cam in, and see how long your head lasts.......and maybe some valve kissing.
There is a lot to this stuff, and there is no super easy way to just gain a bunch of power. Start with the basics. The more air you can get in with the proper amount of fuel, the better the burn, which results in more power. Throw on a CAI, headers and exhaust. Start there.
first of all, having VTEC "kick in" harder or faster is not the most important thing in the world. More like having a fully built engine, which will result in more power.
And go ahead and slap this stage 2 cam in, and see how long your head lasts.......and maybe some valve kissing.
There is a lot to this stuff, and there is no super easy way to just gain a bunch of power. Start with the basics. The more air you can get in with the proper amount of fuel, the better the burn, which results in more power. Throw on a CAI, headers and exhaust. Start there.
amen
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Re: would camshaft help my Vtec
yea but i like it to kick in like my s2000 vtec lol. i like the vtec to have a little pull to it. i know i cant have it like the s2k vtec. maybe i can time my fuel injected and air flow to put more in to it when vtec kicks in. Piggy Back Programmers or so kind. you guys know any good programmers?
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yea but i work alot and i dont like to add alot of mile to my s2k. i do alot of driving to work and at work. i put alot of stuff in my car for work to. the sk2 is to small.
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Re: would camshaft help my Vtec
your never going to get that pull from a sohc vtec motor compared to a dohc vtec motor on an all motor build. at least ive never felt vtec kick in "harder" on a sohc all motor setup.
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The S2K and the F22 have some similarities on the bottom end. But what you're wanting...to have your vtec "KICK" in harder is a misconception i think you need to get past. That kick your feeling is merely the addition of more power brought on by the opening of that 3rd valve to get in more air. The factory has optimized this. There are some option to allow you to change your vtec crossover point but if you are not adding anything to your motor you will lose power somewhere in your power band after making the adjustment.
Think of it like this. Changing the crossover point will give u power in one area but will take it away from somewhere else and you'll notice it sooner or later. I would caution you against it as many have done here. The stage 2 cam will yield u more power along the band but you will idle like crap in OEM form.
However, if you're heart is set on it the greddy emanage blue has an option to alter your crossover point to a given RPM. That would be your best option in my opinion. I personally don't think you should be toying with altering your injection duty cycles or ignition timing until you fully understand the intricacies involved in each. On the other hand...experience is the best teacher, so if u get the emanage there are optional harnesses to give u full control over each independently. You'll need a wideband o2 sensor setup installed to monitor your AFR and I would recommend a knock lite to tell you when you're detonating.
No one here is condemning you for wanting to put power to ride. That's what we're all here for. We're just trying to save u some expensive headaches down the line, most of which we've run across.
Think of it like this. Changing the crossover point will give u power in one area but will take it away from somewhere else and you'll notice it sooner or later. I would caution you against it as many have done here. The stage 2 cam will yield u more power along the band but you will idle like crap in OEM form.
However, if you're heart is set on it the greddy emanage blue has an option to alter your crossover point to a given RPM. That would be your best option in my opinion. I personally don't think you should be toying with altering your injection duty cycles or ignition timing until you fully understand the intricacies involved in each. On the other hand...experience is the best teacher, so if u get the emanage there are optional harnesses to give u full control over each independently. You'll need a wideband o2 sensor setup installed to monitor your AFR and I would recommend a knock lite to tell you when you're detonating.
No one here is condemning you for wanting to put power to ride. That's what we're all here for. We're just trying to save u some expensive headaches down the line, most of which we've run across.
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Re: would camshaft help my Vtec
T_T dam no way to get that kick with a sohc vtec? i think theres a way. nothing is impossible for japanese parson lol.
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The S2K and the F22 have some similarities on the bottom end. But what you're wanting...to have your vtec "KICK" in harder is a misconception i think you need to get past. That kick your feeling is merely the addition of more power brought on by the opening of that 3rd valve to get in more air. The factory has optimized this. There are some option to allow you to change your vtec crossover point but if you are not adding anything to your motor you will lose power somewhere in your power band after making the adjustment.
Think of it like this. Changing the crossover point will give u power in one area but will take it away from somewhere else and you'll notice it sooner or later. I would caution you against it as many have done here. The stage 2 cam will yield u more power along the band but you will idle like crap in OEM form.
However, if you're heart is set on it the greddy emanage blue has an option to alter your crossover point to a given RPM. That would be your best option in my opinion. I personally don't think you should be toying with altering your injection duty cycles or ignition timing until you fully understand the intricacies involved in each. On the other hand...experience is the best teacher, so if u get the emanage there are optional harnesses to give u full control over each independently. You'll need a wideband o2 sensor setup installed to monitor your AFR and I would recommend a knock lite to tell you when you're detonating.
No one here is condemning you for wanting to put power to ride. That's what we're all here for. We're just trying to save u some expensive headaches down the line, most of which we've run across.
Think of it like this. Changing the crossover point will give u power in one area but will take it away from somewhere else and you'll notice it sooner or later. I would caution you against it as many have done here. The stage 2 cam will yield u more power along the band but you will idle like crap in OEM form.
However, if you're heart is set on it the greddy emanage blue has an option to alter your crossover point to a given RPM. That would be your best option in my opinion. I personally don't think you should be toying with altering your injection duty cycles or ignition timing until you fully understand the intricacies involved in each. On the other hand...experience is the best teacher, so if u get the emanage there are optional harnesses to give u full control over each independently. You'll need a wideband o2 sensor setup installed to monitor your AFR and I would recommend a knock lite to tell you when you're detonating.
No one here is condemning you for wanting to put power to ride. That's what we're all here for. We're just trying to save u some expensive headaches down the line, most of which we've run across.
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Re: would camshaft help my Vtec
find other ways to get power like headers or intake or exhaust...
I have a CL-S and i hear the secondaries open and hear the engagement of V-tec but there is no "kick" just a slight lil' tug from the motor as the HP increases. By FAR the biggest gain I got was adding headers....instant 30hp peak moved up 500 rpm from stock...
in ur case headers and a H series head would be the best bet for power increase short of a h22a swap. if you want faster accelleration at the expense of fuel economy put in a h series transmission (just be prepared for 4K at 70)
I have a CL-S and i hear the secondaries open and hear the engagement of V-tec but there is no "kick" just a slight lil' tug from the motor as the HP increases. By FAR the biggest gain I got was adding headers....instant 30hp peak moved up 500 rpm from stock...
in ur case headers and a H series head would be the best bet for power increase short of a h22a swap. if you want faster accelleration at the expense of fuel economy put in a h series transmission (just be prepared for 4K at 70)
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Re: would camshaft help my Vtec
The S2K and the F22 have some similarities on the bottom end. But what you're wanting...to have your vtec "KICK" in harder is a misconception i think you need to get past. That kick your feeling is merely the addition of more power brought on by the opening of that 3rd valve to get in more air. The factory has optimized this. There are some option to allow you to change your vtec crossover point but if you are not adding anything to your motor you will lose power somewhere in your power band after making the adjustment.
The VTEC "kicking in" feeling is not by a third valve. Honda uses 16 valves.....4 per cylinder, obviously we are talking about the Inline 4's here, and before that they had 12 valves, 3 per cylinder. But VTEC has nothing to do with a third valve just going from fully shut to open. It has to do with a hydraulic system that makes the rocker arm switch from the lower lobe on the cam to the higher cam whenever the ECU sees the correct RPM, speed, and throttle pressure. This allows the valves to open more, yes, but no "third valve"
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Re: would camshaft help my Vtec
i got a broken 95 Honda Prelude vtec h22a1. im going to swap it when my f22b1 go bad. its going to be a long time be from it goes bad. i got 106k mils on the accord right now. but im going to sell my Preludes body and keep the engine.
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If you have an H22 already. I would suggest not wasting any performance mods on the F22B1. Keep your Accords chassis maintenance up to date and at the same time save up some money for building up the H22. That's some kick'n VTEC yo!
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Re: would camshaft help my Vtec
its going to be a long time before i can get to it. the f22b1 only got like 106k mile on it. my h22a1 need a lot of work. i haven't drive the car in like 2-3 years now. i got a post on it.
all im asking for is can i get that little vtec kick in. if i cant, i can work with it CAI/header/exhaust/cam i think thats good till i get my m3 lol one day.
all im asking for is can i get that little vtec kick in. if i cant, i can work with it CAI/header/exhaust/cam i think thats good till i get my m3 lol one day.
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Re: would camshaft help my Vtec
then dont waste any money and just buy the beemer... You obviosly seem to have some money to play with just turbo the damn thing, all motor build, swap. or get ur bmw and call it a day
