Is it possible to remove an f22 out of '90 accord in pieces instead of removing it all at once? and also can it be removed without the head?

 

Yes, but why?

 

I feel very much like a douchebag for asking these questions, so i will apologize for asking them. But I'm asking why because I dont have access to an engine hoist, I could probably borrow/rent one if I did some searching, and will need one later, but was curious since most of the engine parts arent extremely heavy. Also I already took the intake manifold off and cleaned it for the rebuild, and figured since Im going to have to work on cleaning it in several sittings, why not just take it out and clean it one section at a time.

 

You can. Renting or buying an engine hoist will help you in the long run.

 

2x4, chains, and a few friends. Nuf said.

 

I deffinitely plan to rent/borrow one when I go to put the rebuilt engine in my other car that is my daily driver. my main concern with removing the engine in pieces is if there is enough room to seperate the engine and trans.

 

Yes, on the 90 - 93 models, and 94 - 97 models you can seperate the motor from the tranny and pull them out. As long as they are a 4 cylinder motor. Torque convertor bolts are the worst part. Good Luck....

 

got a gerage?

get a pully and some chain

put a support beam in center of rafter you want to use

take hood off

drive car up under pulley

attach chains to engine mounting points

connect to pulley

unbolt engine and lift out.

my uncle did this crap in his garage all the time with big *** engines from the 60's and 70's (we're talking about total cast iron stuff here)

 

I was thinking about that approach, but I dont have a garage : / the car is covered, but the rafters in the building arent all that high, and the building can barely support itself. If the car wasn't smashed in the back end and mostly taken apart I could have moved it to a different building though, if I had thought ahead.

 

Some old used seatbelt can do besides chains. They're stronger than you think.

 

Place a piece of plywood under the car and drop it vs lift it. Then you can jack up the lightened front end and pull the engine out from under the car.

 

Is there any advantage to removing the engine from the bottom rather than the top? I am planning to do an engine swap on a 98 Accord, and had been planning to come out of the top. The Honda shop manual describes how to take it out from the bottom--which seemed a little non-intuitive.

Many thanks,

Mike

 

It depends on the equipment you have. If you have a way to lift the front end high enough, dropping the engine is pretty easy. But most guys have a cherry picker and just regular floor jacks, so taking it out of the top is easier for them. Manuals tend to assume you are a professional mechanic with a lift.

 

Many thanks for that. I have a cherry picker and floor jack, so maybe coming out of the top looks better. If coming out of the top, is there any particular issue with the engine mounts? The way they are constructed, it looks like they expect you to go out the bottom.

BTW--Coming out of the bottom would require complete removal of the half-shafts and the front beam. Coming out of the top, it looks like all you need to do is to pull the half-shafts from the transmission--and leave the other end in the hub. So, the top route is looking better in this respect.

Thanks again,

Mike

 

You will have to do some tilting to get everything to clear, but it shouldn't be an issue. Make sure you have one eye on the radiator at all times. Leaning 200+lbs into aluminum fins can suck bad. Double and triple check EVERYTHING is disconnected, and go slowly.

 

 

Forgot the Red Stripe. "Right near tha beach, boyyy"

 

Quick update on my '98 Accord project --

1. Got the engine out with a cherry picker; you definitely need some help to guide the engine out of the car. I took out the radiator, and ended up having to remove the passenger side and front motor mounts and brackets completely to get it out.
2. I decided to replace the balancer and timing belts in the donor engine. Taking the crank pulley off was a bear. I bought a tool on Amazon.com that fits into the pulley to hold it while the bolt is turned. It took two very large men (me at 240 lb and my son-in-law at 220 lb) to break the bolt loose.
3. Pulled the tranny off the junk motor, and put it on the donor engine. In my past experience with GM cars, you could attach the torque converter to the flex plate and then install the tranny...not so with the Honda. I discovered that you need to install the torque converter in the tranny, then marry it to the engine. Aligning the flex plat to the torque converter was easily done--just pay attention to the bolt pattern.
4. Will finish prepping the engine-tranny Thursday, and put it in the car on Saturday. Final prep items include new seals for the axles.

This has definitely been a learning experience. Don't think I am qualified to be a Honda mechanic, but I sure know a lot more now that when I started.

Mike

 

I know you already mounted the tranny, but you might consider removing it and replacing your rear main seal. Crank and cam seals are a good idea as well, especially while the motor is out. They are cheap fixes that would be MUCH more of a pita after everything is back in the car.

 

You could post an add on Craigslist. Just offer to pay someone some cash to use their engine lift. It should only take about 30min to get it out if you unhook everything ahead of time.

 

I actually had given that serious thought, and decided to leave the crank seals alone. I am maybe rationalizing, but the donor engine doesn't have nearly as many miles as the one it is replacing. Right now, I am mostly trying to get this thing out of the garage...with any luck, that should happen in a few more days.

Many thanks for the note,

BTW--Bright13, I didn't mean to hijack your thread. I hope some of this is useful for your work!

Mike

 

Just wondering how long did it take you to remove the motor? Is it possible to do a motor swap in a weekend? I just bought myself a 92 accord and the body is almost in mint shape but the motor has a small crack in the block so I want to swap it with my motor from my 90 accord. Also how hard is it to change the rear main seal?

 

Had my engine and trans out in an afternoon - 4-5 hrs

Sure it is possible, there are 48hrs in a weekend. However, it really depends on the tools you have and your mechanical aptitude.

With the engine out of the car the rear main seal is a very simple job.