I thought about boosting the R. Sounds crazy to most but I have it all figured out and how to safely do it and make it right. However I was talked out of it and told to just get a better header, intake manifold, and a dyno tune. Which leaves me questioning will I be satisfied with the power increase? Or will I think I just wasted my money? This probably has been asked before. 1st off what headers are better than the 98+ JDM ITR? Also what is a better intake manifold? and should I spend the cash for HONDATA and have someone tune it or have Vega from Phearable dyno tune it with his ECU?

 

 

really? you couldnt just answer or magically find the links to all my questions?

 

 

and again I cant find the answers. "Sorry - no matches. Please try some different terms. "

 

I can't really tell you but go look in the all motor thread..lots of good info.

 

thank you, thats all I needed to know.

 

there are good bolt on links in the ITR faq on the top of the forum.

 

looks like a majority of the power to be unleashed is still in the head. even with the ITR having the best factory cams and a factory port and what not its still the place to be messed with. Stock intake manifold will do just find from what I gathered. Looks like JUN III cams are pretty good? hytech header, i know theres a replica which is cheaper. good info in the all motor section. i'll check the ITR FAQ's again to get all the info down. i dont think its worth to get it tuned with just bolt ons like I/H/E maybe cams should be added. Now to find out whats the safe limit on 93 octane for compression ratio.

 

i dont think you can compare bolt ons to turbo, you will make way more power with turbo, but it will beat on your motor faster. it all depends on what you really want

 

I want my car to be faster but it absolutely has to be reliable. Fast and reliable means not cheap. I love turbo's and everyone says I wasted my money with a Type R because the motor is supposed to be naturally aspirated. They go on about how its high compression and that makes it a terrible choice for boost. True it is a very good naturally aspirated motor. Not many other cars can claim the same or close to the same HP per Liter. However what do most change anyways on any good turbo build? Pistons and rods. So I dont see it at a loss when I have a better balanced crank, LSD, baller gearing, and the best factory head for a B series. Honestly before I had the R I was set on I want 350whp out of a B series. Then I got the R and saw how quick it was for being maybe 180whp? 250whp is fast no doubt and I think I would be plenty happy with that. Being only 250whp I dont believe I would need to have it sleeved. I thought factory sleeves were good to 300whp. Also back onto high compression being bad for boost, thats not true. You gain more power per PSI with a higher compression piston. Now theres a point to where you have to run race gas but heres the thing. Run a bigger turbo at a lower PSI so you dont detonate but flow just as much air as a smaller turbo with a higher PSI would be. In the past month I have seen 3 people I know blow their motors with a turbo setup. I think they half assed the setups and thats probably why.

 

You will not find reliability with a turbo. Stick to NA bolt ons if you want reliability.

 

It'll take alot of work to achieve 250whp NA. Most likely 2 liter stroke motor. I would invest in a better header, like skunk2, rmf, or smsp. Get a good exhaust setup like a 2.5 in diameter. Jun3, blox C or some Rocket m22x cams makes good power. Port match TB and intake manifold with hondata and good tune will hit 200whp.

 

THE Overall general consensus one will find on this forum.

QFT.

 

think of all of that money spent though for 200whp. 2L bore for NA I could get the block sleeved for FI. Rather than a high priced header I could get a nice turbo manifold, down pipe, dump tube w/e. Exhaust is already 2.5". I've never been more confused on what I want to do with my car than I am now. FI is so easy to get power. NA I think is more respected to have a fast small motor since you can put a snail on anything. I know Doostur has a turbo Type R thats built like 515whp.

 

Yes think of it.



Whats your REAL budget?

Is it or will it be a daily driver?

Does it have to be reliable?

What's your Goal? High Power? Handling? Combination?

Will you Track it? or just street drive it? Or combination? IE if you track/autoX will it be just open events or will you be is rule governed classes?

Are You able to do the work or at least some properly? Or will you be either paying someone to work and tune it or have a Very Good friend helping you out?

Think about everything I posted above then list and answer each question as clearly and precisely as you can. THEN you can be steered in the correct direction or directions.

 

Whats your REAL budget?

Not going to K swap lol Current budget, not a whole lot but looking at it as when I would actually piece it together I would like to try for $3000 for a turbo setup if thats the route I take. Obviously I will go over because theres always those little extras.

Is it or will it be a daily driver?

Both, which makes it more difficult.

Does it have to be reliable?

Absolutely! Being a DD I need it to start when I have to be somewhere. Sure theres always down time for things but I rather not be replacing major components.

What's your Goal? High Power? Handling? Combination?

Define High Power? Originally I wanted say 350whp. After getting the R I decided 250whp would be plenty. Handling is a must also and that is still in the works. I figured 250whp would be fast but not too crazy where when I step on it all of a sudden my tires are spinning and i'm bouncing the rev limiter because thats not what you want trying to exit a turn. So yes a combination.

Will you Track it? or just street drive it? Or combination? IE if you track/autoX will it be just open events or will you be is rule governed classes?

It will see the track. Not all the time but on ocassion. Really you need seperate cars to be competitive at the track and still daily it. You can daly drive a track car but usually it wont be comfortable. It will see the drag strip. Honestly 12's was all I ever hoped for in the 1/4 and its not that incredible hard to acheive. I'm hoping to get it ready for some AutoX events since the one is on an airport 7 minutes from my house. Eventually I would like to take it to a real road racing track. I'm talking Sebring but all for fun.

Are You able to do the work or at least some properly? Or will you be either paying someone to work and tune it or have a Very Good friend helping you out?

Lets put it this way, motorcycle mechanics I'm a know it all and really do know just about everything inside and out. I'm newer to building automotive motors. Most of the same principals apply and I can do work myself. If its something vital I rather trust a real professional that has done it several times. I have a friend that is a main tech at a Honda dealership and he has helped me before. He has done many builds both all motor and boosted. Tuning wise John Vega from Phearable.net is just a short drive from my house. I can actually spend time at a dyno session with the guy that tunes the ECU's that they sell but have mine more custom.

 

Based on those answers.....a J35 from a stock TL-S is right for you. GL with the build.

 

like i said.

 

You obviously need to do more research. ALL MOTOR will never be enough. 250whp NA? Dam near impossible and look to spend 10k+. I have a 2.0L in my ITR and im still NOT satisfied. Honestly with all the money I have spent on my car, I could have gone turbo and put out 700+whp and be satisfied but it wouldnt be reliable, its my DD. If your on a price budget and want something "fast". Just turbo your car. Youll spend about $3000 and make 300+whp. If you spend $3000 on NA. youll make 200whp.

 

Do you even own an ITR? Why can't you come in here and help contribute to the OP's questions? Most people who come in here that make comments like this don't even own one of these cars. So take your and do us all a favor and use it between your eyes. Grow up or get out of here!!!

 

I would honestly go J before I went K but thats out of the picture. K and J swaps are very costly. I guess a turbo is my only option then. I know 220WHP NA is possible but I'm thinking I could have 250WHP cheaper with a snail added. And thank you HYREV2NR for saying something to that guy. Every post I think he has made in this section has just been a hammer.

 

I think you just made my mind up for me.

 

Not THAT expensive. This one was done for pretty cheap.



Watch this J powered civic pass a Porsche.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpmHicRw0_k

Stock and reliable.

 

I normaly don't let idiots like that bother me but posters like that should be banned! The mods have been doing alot of that lately also.