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Old Nov 1, 2009 | 07:46 PM
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Default Can Accords do well at the track?

I'm looking for a DD that I can have some fun with at the track too, not bone stock of course. I am curious to see if the Accord actually offers something under the radar regarding performance and if so what year and models?

$6,000 or less...

Does a certain year and trim stick out? Or are they basically all low potential solid daily drivers? No I don't mean I am remotely interested in "putting 100 grand under the hood"... I am fairly seasoned when it comes to performance cars but I'm back in school so I had to sell my prized car.

Or is looking for an Accord beyond daily driving use a waste of time?
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Old Nov 1, 2009 | 08:48 PM
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all depends on you man. its your car. i've seen some pretty fast accords. all comes down to budget i guess. i spent alot on my car so far, its not fast, but it sure does break necks when i drive it.
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Old Nov 1, 2009 | 08:56 PM
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They do well as an everyday driver....Not race cars. Are you kidding?
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Old Nov 1, 2009 | 09:06 PM
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they can be, if tuned right. ie. the accord type r or euro r. they're still accords with a lil kick. haha. still disappointed they didnt bring those to america
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Old Nov 1, 2009 | 10:41 PM
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Default Re: Can Accords do well at the track?

Originally Posted by HonBeer
They do well as an everyday driver....Not race cars. Are you kidding?
Not race cars eyy?? Check this out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iItXU...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuumD...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-C08...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6JWZJnL2GY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrJAy...eature=related







JTCC Accord FTW haha
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Old Nov 2, 2009 | 11:13 AM
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^^^thats no DD budget car^^^
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Old Nov 2, 2009 | 12:25 PM
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i think it depends which track you're talking about?
drag racing, it would be hard/ expensive to be competitive.
something like autocross or hpde i think it would be reasonable to be competitive.
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Old Nov 2, 2009 | 12:43 PM
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look at what bisi was able to do with a accord f22 (i think) motor..... the 92-00ish accords would be a good bet, you can get them fairly cheap which leaves more in your budget to modify......my vote is boost it and have some fun. the f-series is a awsome motor to play with and has ALOT of potential
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Old Nov 2, 2009 | 01:51 PM
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Default Re: Can Accords do well at the track?

Originally Posted by pinoy2o9
^^^thats no DD budget car^^^
I know haha, just those videos came to mind when I went over what OP said.
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Old Nov 2, 2009 | 02:29 PM
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$6000 or less?

Car:
94/95 Accord (OBDI already save yourself the harness) - ~$3000

Motor Options:
Turbo the Stock F22B1/2 - ~$2000 for everything done correctly?
H22 Swap - ~$1000-3000 depending on what year/trim/package/etc
Build the F - ~$1000-2000 depending on parts

Suspension Options:
I'd reserve around $1000 for some good struts/springs (Koni Yellows are my personal preference)
The Progress rear sway is the largest for this year Accord at 22mm I think? I had one I got from eBay for $150 new


Wheels/Tires:
OEM '96 ITR Wheels - ~12lbs each vs stock 15/17ish and can be found for $400 shipped
Tires - I'd expect to pay between 100-150 PER tire for some decent ones


Note that I had a '96 and did an H22A swap and downconverted to OBDI and it did just fine. I don't know what the final cost would be for the Bisi stuff (cam/etc) or turbo as I didn't go that route however I'd expect it to be around that amount I listed.
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Old Nov 2, 2009 | 03:04 PM
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Default Re: Can Accords do well at the track?

Sure, an Accord that is well tuned can hang on the track. But it is not a true sports car.
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Old Nov 2, 2009 | 03:12 PM
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Sure, an Accord that is well tuned can hang on the track. But it is not a true sports car.
Neither is a Civic, Integra, Element, Pilot, Odyssey, Insight, Passport, CR-V, etc

Doesn't stop people from modding them though

(Obvious exception is the ITR)
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Old Nov 2, 2009 | 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by TheMuffinMan
Neither is a Civic, Integra, Element, Pilot, Odyssey, Insight, Passport, CR-V, etc

Doesn't stop people from modding them though

(Obvious exception is the ITR)
Agreed.
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Originally Posted by CuteAccord
Agreed.
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Old Nov 2, 2009 | 05:21 PM
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Stock accord EX-V6 does a 14 -16 second quarter which isn't overly terrible. You can stuff a (small) turbo, upgrade the engine and do niterous to get 300-350HP. That can and will kill a 500hp V8 mustang.

The non-coupe accords are no good, and the 4-bangers are NOT worth your time. Racing cars start with V6's with 3L or more or V8's with 5.8L or more otherwise the HP to Weight ratio is just not good enough.
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Old Nov 2, 2009 | 05:32 PM
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bobinator, I think you may be a bit misguided....

14-16 seconds is a fairly large gap

A H22A (I/H/E) swapped CD chassis Accord runs low 14's with a decent driver

A EX-V6 (with I'm assuming you're talking about the 98-02 chassis) is a boat and is considerably heavier than the CD counterpart. Not to mention there are NO V6 manuals available for the Accord until the 7th generation and the automatic transmissions on those are garbage.

The LX/EX-V6 in the CD is a joke and has virtually no aftermarket support for it.

Add onto the fact you're suggesting a FWD slushbox Accord with an auto"tragic" transmission will beat a 500hp (obviously modified) Mustang is just silly because it won't.

And the whole "non-coupe" Accords are no good I have no idea where that came from, nor do I know where the 4-bangers aren't worth your time comment came from.
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Old Nov 2, 2009 | 05:41 PM
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Default Re: Can Accords do well at the track?

Some people just spout **** from their asses on this site (or forums in general)

However, Accords can be quite competitive and perform well.

Here's things that I would address if I were you:

- 94-95 Accord (OBD1 still, which is nice for your swap) - under $3000 if you shop around
- JDM H22A (should be able to find one for under $2000, shop & hit salvage yards, their are definitely deals out there)
- Koni/Ground Control with extended tophats ($900 from THmotorsports) which is a great race/street suspension and fully adjustable

Right there you're at roughly $5000, and you can use the left over $1000 for some maintenance, and replacing the worn out 14+ yr old bushings.

Come race day, take a small bag of tools, spare axles and a lightweight jack -- all of which you should leave OUTSIDE of your car (if you can safely) and leave your backseat at home to lighten things up a bit.

You should have an enjoyable experience.

Links:
H22 w/ LSD for $1950 -- http://www.jdmsource.ca/v2/product.asp?ID=52
GC/Koni -- http://www.hondamarketplace.com/show....php?t=2028746 (I didn't see it listed for Accords but I'm sure they can get it and their pricing is most competitive))
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Old Nov 2, 2009 | 05:51 PM
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They don't make extended top hats for us

Unless it's within the past year or so, they don't exist. Have to reuse the stock ones
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Old Nov 2, 2009 | 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by TheMuffinMan
They don't make extended top hats for us

Unless it's within the past year or so, they don't exist. Have to reuse the stock ones
Oh **** man, I didn't know that. My mistake. I'm positive that they'll perform just as well without the top hats so long as you replace the bushings within.

Bushings are very important, I learned that over time. Now when I do suspension, I overhaul all the bushings.
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Old Nov 2, 2009 | 06:48 PM
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Accord can be a good DD come weekend track weapon.
Mate of mine raced his Euro R in street form (Feels suspension, exhaust, & Filter insert)against his brothers Track Prepped ITR (caged, semi slicks, I.H.E, Bilstein Platforms, etc) and was only about 2 seconds off his lap times.
He said if he were to strip the interior, put semi slick tyres on & add a couple of braces he may have been faster around the track.
Most of it comes down to how much track time you can get in and making sure you have fun..... you could have a Ferrari and still be slower than an ITR if you can't drive it properly.
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Old Nov 2, 2009 | 08:01 PM
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All I know is... I want a sequential 6 speed. Maybe I should call Castrol...
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Old Nov 2, 2009 | 08:12 PM
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Ask GK, I remember he told me once he owned and track a 5th gen accord.
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Old Nov 2, 2009 | 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by TheMuffinMan
bobinator, I think you may be a bit misguided....

14-16 seconds is a fairly large gap

A H22A (I/H/E) swapped CD chassis Accord runs low 14's with a decent driver

A EX-V6 (with I'm assuming you're talking about the 98-02 chassis) is a boat and is considerably heavier than the CD counterpart. Not to mention there are NO V6 manuals available for the Accord until the 7th generation and the automatic transmissions on those are garbage.

The LX/EX-V6 in the CD is a joke and has virtually no aftermarket support for it.

Add onto the fact you're suggesting a FWD slushbox Accord with an auto"tragic" transmission will beat a 500hp (obviously modified) Mustang is just silly because it won't.

And the whole "non-coupe" Accords are no good I have no idea where that came from, nor do I know where the 4-bangers aren't worth your time comment came from.
Originally Posted by bronx finest
Some people just spout **** from their asses on this site (or forums in general)

However, Accords can be quite competitive and perform well.

Here's things that I would address if I were you:

- 94-95 Accord (OBD1 still, which is nice for your swap) - under $3000 if you shop around
- JDM H22A (should be able to find one for under $2000, shop & hit salvage yards, their are definitely deals out there)
- Koni/Ground Control with extended tophats ($900 from THmotorsports) which is a great race/street suspension and fully adjustable

Right there you're at roughly $5000, and you can use the left over $1000 for some maintenance, and replacing the worn out 14+ yr old bushings.

Come race day, take a small bag of tools, spare axles and a lightweight jack -- all of which you should leave OUTSIDE of your car (if you can safely) and leave your backseat at home to lighten things up a bit.

You should have an enjoyable experience.

Links:
H22 w/ LSD for $1950 -- http://www.jdmsource.ca/v2/product.asp?ID=52
GC/Koni -- http://www.hondamarketplace.com/show....php?t=2028746 (I didn't see it listed for Accords but I'm sure they can get it and their pricing is most competitive))
no cb love?
for some reason, i like my cb more then the cd
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Old Nov 2, 2009 | 10:00 PM
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If you're looking for a better starter platform, try finding a '94-'95 EX model. The only models in the 5th gen that comes standard with 4-wheel disc brakes and a rear sway bar. Otherwise you'll have to swap/modify your chassis in order to install theses (what I think are) essential track options.
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Old Nov 2, 2009 | 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by bobinator5000
Stock accord EX-V6 does a 14 -16 second quarter which isn't overly terrible. You can stuff a (small) turbo, upgrade the engine and do niterous to get 300-350HP. That can and will kill a 500hp V8 mustang.

The non-coupe accords are no good, and the 4-bangers are NOT worth your time. Racing cars start with V6's with 3L or more or V8's with 5.8L or more otherwise the HP to Weight ratio is just not good enough.
Not to be mean, I just got the biggest laugh out of this post.
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