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Old Oct 28, 2009 | 09:06 PM
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1991 Acura Integra. Da9, B18a1. My spark plugs have oil and did my research, and found out i need to replace my Valve Cover Gasket and Valve Cover rings . i have the Valve Gasket and Rings. Now my question is, if any one here has ever done this replacements? what type of glue(not sure about names ect.) i will need for my Valve gasket???. Now my Last question is this one, When i took off the old rings they seem to be attached to the base of wear they sit in, (?) is this because they are old and never been replaced??? or does some kind of glue hold them together ?if so what type of glue???

Sorry if the "glue," thing throws you guys off. I'm sure i have another name, but im bilingual and sometimes things just get all scattered in Vocabulary lol.


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Old Oct 28, 2009 | 09:12 PM
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Ahh yeah what you need is honda bond, you can just go to any honda dealership and tell them that you need a tube of honda bond.
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Old Oct 28, 2009 | 09:17 PM
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No adhesive is necessary, except you will want a little bit of liquid gasket for the main VC seal. Take off the old seals, and get off any residue that you can. I'd be cautious about using any sandpaper or sealants on the residue, particularly if the head is still on the car, however if you don't get the surface clean you won't get a good seal.

Put the spark plug seals in the appropriate grooves on the valve cover (instead of on the head) and then put the main VC gasket into the spot on the valve cover also. You'll notice that it looks like there are two ways it can go, but you need to put it on only one of those ways. You can tell that there are some extra flat parts of the gasket on one side, those should go on the part of the valve cover that goes near the cam gears. You'll also notice that there are eight flat parts in each spot where the gasket goes up to go around where the cam seals go through. At each of those flat spots you should apply a dab of liquid gasket. Nowhere else needs any liquid gasket.

When you put the VC back make sure everything stayed put and is going in straight. Then clean up the extra liquid gasket that leaked out with a paper towel, after you tighten the VC bolts in the correct sequence. If you don't know what that is I can get out the shop manual and tell you, or maybe someone else will beat me to it with a pic.
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Old Oct 28, 2009 | 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by STRDAGEY88
Ahh yeah what you need is honda bond, you can just go to any honda dealership and tell them that you need a tube of honda bond.
Ok Cool. Honda bond, got it . Don't want to sound, or be in any way stubborn about your answer, but the Honda Dealer is far from my place. My car is sitting, do to this issue. You think Autozone has, "Honda bond" ?

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Old Oct 28, 2009 | 09:33 PM
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They wont have the actual honda bond but you can tell them that you need something like honda bond, and they will help you find it. If not just do what GagnarTheUnruly said.
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Old Oct 28, 2009 | 09:33 PM
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No adhesive is necessary, except you will want a little bit of liquid gasket for the main VC seal. Take off the old seals, and get off any residue that you can. I'd be cautious about using any sandpaper or sealants on the residue, particularly if the head is still on the car, however if you don't get the surface clean you won't get a good seal.

Put the spark plug seals in the appropriate grooves on the valve cover (instead of on the head) and then put the main VC gasket into the spot on the valve cover also. You'll notice that it looks like there are two ways it can go, but you need to put it on only one of those ways. You can tell that there are some extra flat parts of the gasket on one side, those should go on the part of the valve cover that goes near the cam gears. You'll also notice that there are eight flat parts in each spot where the gasket goes up to go around where the cam seals go through. At each of those flat spots you should apply a dab of liquid gasket. Nowhere else needs any liquid gasket.

When you put the VC back make sure everything stayed put and is going in straight. Then clean up the extra liquid gasket that leaked out with a paper towel, after you tighten the VC bolts in the correct sequence. If you don't know what that is I can get out the shop manual and tell you, or maybe someone else will beat me to it with a pic.
Thank you.

I will read this about two or three times before bed tonight, and ones again early tomorrow morning, just so i can do exactly what you lecture me about.
will update tomorrow or Friday. (today.10/ 28/09)till then ....
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Old Oct 28, 2009 | 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by STRDAGEY88
They wont have the actual honda bond but you can tell them that you need something like honda bond, and they will help you find it. If not just do what GagnarTheUnruly said.
Cool. Thankx again appreciated a lot . Ill up date you, on how is goes for me.
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Old Oct 28, 2009 | 09:45 PM
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autozone will have RTV sealant which is basically the same thing.. just not made by honda
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Old Oct 28, 2009 | 09:46 PM
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yeah its called permatex high temp silicone gasket sealant http://www.permatex.com/products/Aut...et_Sealant.htm

can be found any pretty much any auto parts store.
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Old Oct 28, 2009 | 09:50 PM
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autozone will have RTV sealant which is basically the same thing.. just not made by honda
Oh ok. i see, thanx for the help
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Old Oct 28, 2009 | 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Slain
yeah its called permatex high temp silicone gasket sealant http://www.permatex.com/products/Aut...et_Sealant.htm

can be found any pretty much any auto parts store.
ok. Just txt my friend, tomorrow i will be able to buy it. Since he has to go to the Junk Yard and get some parts(again)we just made a trip today, might get some for my self .

ill ask Quick, and make it quick . I got a Cell code #7 .TPS right? its impossible to remove it from the throttle body !!? or is it possible ?

uuh do i need to make a new "thread " for this?...sorry.
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Old Oct 28, 2009 | 10:26 PM
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If you have oil on the spark plug's electrode or firing end, it's NOT the little rubber rings that seal the valve cover from the plug tubes.


As for the TPS, you'll have to cut the tops off the rivets and thread the throttle body to accept screws. Omni Power sells an aftermarket TPS so you don't have to go buy a whole throttle body assembly.
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Old Oct 28, 2009 | 10:26 PM
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http://www.xenocron.com/omni-power-b...tps-p-435.html
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Old Oct 28, 2009 | 10:53 PM
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Use a little red high temp RTV silicone on all sides of all of your rubber parts. Put some extra on the corners of the valve cover gasket (see photo) and place all of the rubber parts on the cover. They should not fall out or move if you stuck them there with the RTV.

Here are some photos and torque specs:







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Old Oct 28, 2009 | 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by 95DC2GS-R
If you have oil on the spark plug's electrode or firing end, it's NOT the little rubber rings that seal the valve cover from the plug tubes.


As for the TPS, you'll have to cut the tops off the rivets and thread the throttle body to accept screws. Omni Power sells an aftermarket TPS so you don't have to go buy a whole throttle body assembly.
Ok. Got it . thankx . This info will come in handy tomorrow as well . great tips and Info. thankx again. oh almost forgot, its top side of the spark plug, pretending its placed. when i remove the spark plug cables they show sings of oil all around them as well . So i am almost 100% sure .what you think now ?still something else ?
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Old Oct 28, 2009 | 11:15 PM
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Originally Posted by safedriver
Use a little red high temp RTV silicone on all sides of all of your rubber parts. Put some extra on the corners of the valve cover gasket (see photo) and place all of the rubber parts on the cover. They should not fall out or move if you stuck them there with the RTV.

Here are some photos and torque specs:







Thank you .man!like for real this helped a lot .
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Old Oct 29, 2009 | 06:58 AM
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its top side of the spark plug, pretending its placed. when i remove the spark plug cables they show sings of oil all around them as well
Sounds like a leaky spark plug seal to me. I'd bet your problem is solved if you just replace all the rubber VC seals.
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Old Oct 29, 2009 | 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by GagnarTheUnruly
Sounds like a leaky spark plug seal to me. I'd bet your problem is solved if you just replace all the rubber VC seals.
...and yes i was correct so where you. The VC seals and oil rings where messed up ...im up loading pictures now .
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Old Oct 29, 2009 | 05:52 PM
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*Up Date* Today 10/29/09, made a trip to Autozone right after school, bought the valve cover gasket and gasket bond . I cleaned up and removed half of the residue due to the fact that sun light was about to fade away, and i yet had to clean up. Here are some picture to show im reading your Replys and doing as told(Thanx) . I Found some kind of rusted looking brown thing (?) under the valve cover. See for your self and let me know what might have caused it ??? or if i can just clean it up (which i thought i have to do anyways ). Pictures also show that my theory about the oil rings been messed up was true (see the oil around !?)lol glad is that and nothing else .

Thank you to everyone that helped. Will update tomorrow. Hopefully have enough time to finish .

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Old Oct 29, 2009 | 11:39 PM
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........so no one knows what might have caused this?

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Old Oct 30, 2009 | 06:44 AM
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Is that on the underside of the vc? I had a bit of what I assumed was baked on oil on mine. It made a thin, shiny, rusty colored film that is really hard (and also probably unnecessary) to remove -- unless it's on gasket-seating surfaces, maybe.
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Old Oct 30, 2009 | 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by GagnarTheUnruly
Is that on the underside of the vc? I had a bit of what I assumed was baked on oil on mine. It made a thin, shiny, rusty colored film that is really hard (and also probably unnecessary) to remove -- unless it's on gasket-seating surfaces, maybe.
yes , it was the under side of the VC. i cleaned it already and placed the new VC Gasket. I was afraid of it been water, that caused it but my friend said it was just old oil and to do a tune up asap. I will take care of the tune up on Sunday .

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Old Oct 30, 2009 | 06:51 PM
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Just to reiterate some posts: no sealant is required for the spark plug tube seals. The only sealant needed (preferably honda bond) is at the corners of the valve cover gasket where it meets the cam caps, where the gasket has a sharp edged turn.

You are correct in that the old tube seals were hard to remove b/c they have been there too long.

Ideally you should replace these gaskets every time you do a valve adjustment (30-60k miles).
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Old Oct 31, 2009 | 11:48 PM
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Originally Posted by kchungb17a
Just to reiterate some posts: no sealant is required for the spark plug tube seals. The only sealant needed (preferably honda bond) is at the corners of the valve cover gasket where it meets the cam caps, where the gasket has a sharp edged turn.

You are correct in that the old tube seals were hard to remove b/c they have been there too long.

Ideally you should replace these gaskets every time you do a valve adjustment (30-60k miles).
yaa thankx i finished yesterday. Short story ran out of sealant and had to ask Uncle for a quick ride to AutoZone.(Any one that does Valve gasket replacement needs about 3 sealants for sure) The 3rd just in case you mess up and miss the groove.lol. Im guessing i did a good job bro no leaks, and no more oil on my Spark Plugs . Today bought 4 bottles of Castro E. oil and Oil filter. Tomorrow Tune up(did not mentioned "NEW." spark plugs,because i bought some like last week, so Sparks are in good condition. Hopefully no more Oil light.till then...
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