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Car run yesterday after completeing project today it doesn't. cel 6, 7, 10

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Old Oct 15, 2009 | 01:14 PM
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Default Car run yesterday after completeing project today it doesn't. cel 6, 7, 10

Finished working on car. It runs great. we put it back in garage and next day we try to start and now i'm throwing codes and won't run properly...
Nothing changed, no wires or anything was disconnected. All sensors are correct.

Car starts up and runs for a second then drops to 0rpm and dies.

any ideas? intel. ones only please

UPDATE: now throwing codes 6, 7, 10. tps looks good besides voltage dropping when backprobed at ecu. then no matter whether its under open or close throttle it stays about 3.2

any insight?

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Old Oct 15, 2009 | 01:17 PM
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what kind of motor? what did u do to it? a little more info please
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Old Oct 15, 2009 | 01:18 PM
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What are the CEL codes?
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Old Oct 15, 2009 | 01:25 PM
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just ran the cel. 7. only thing i can think of is the tps sensor **** the bed... b18b. it's turbod and we did a gasket job on head and exhaust mani. i cleaned the IACV days before. ran yesterday after whole project was done. came out to tune it too and now it doesn't run... idles perfect for a second then dies.
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Old Oct 15, 2009 | 01:32 PM
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You need to calibrate a newly installed TPS. Is the TPS output voltage ~0.5V at closed throttle and ~4.5V at WOT? If so, does the output wire to the ECU have a short or open?
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Old Oct 15, 2009 | 01:34 PM
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You need to calibrate a newly installed TPS. Is the TPS output voltage ~0.5V at closed throttle and ~4.5V at WOT? If so, does the output wire to the ECU have a short or open?
sorry to thread jack but i just installed a new tps and need to calibrate it on my car.. buuut i was wondering wich wires do i plug my volt meter to?
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Old Oct 15, 2009 | 01:44 PM
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i havent instaled the new tps yet... never did.
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Old Oct 15, 2009 | 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by xxstuntin4life
...i just installed a new tps and need to calibrate it on my car.. buuut i was wondering wich wires do i plug my volt meter to?
Use the red (+) meter probe to pierce the insulation of the Red/Blu wire going to the middle terminal of the TPS connector and then touch the black (-) meter probe to a clean metallic area on the thermostat housing.
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Old Oct 15, 2009 | 01:48 PM
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Tried switch tps...sensor no luck.
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i havent instaled the new tps yet... never did.
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Old Oct 15, 2009 | 02:05 PM
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sorry i meant to say i moved sensors around and tried to make sure i didnt by accident plug the wrong one but i checked a diagram and it's all right...
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Old Oct 15, 2009 | 02:22 PM
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If you reset the ECU, does CEL code 7 pop up again after running the engine? If so, check whether the proper TPS voltage is being received at the ECU connector. If so, the ECU may be bad.
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Old Oct 15, 2009 | 04:21 PM
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allrighty update, the tps gets half a volt closed on the red blue wire and 4.5 wot. I checked continuity at the ecu pin d11 which on the chassis is a red / white wire. This and the red/blue at the tps had perfect continuity. When I pluged everything back in and backprobed the ecu red/white wire it had a constant 3.2v with no change when tps was opened and closed. Dur?
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Old Oct 15, 2009 | 05:31 PM
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ok now i noticed i have code 6 and 7 and 10... so whats up with that?

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Old Oct 15, 2009 | 06:22 PM
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...When I pluged everything back in and backprobed the ecu red/white wire it had a constant 3.2v with no change when tps was opened and closed. Dur?
Well this is most surely the cause of code 7. Check for a short (unexpected continuity to ground) in this wire between D11 in the ECU connector and the middle terminal of the TPS connector.

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Old Oct 15, 2009 | 06:29 PM
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Codes 6 (ECT), 7 (TPS), and 10 (IAT):

Check whether some sensor connectors were accidentally swapped.

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Old Oct 15, 2009 | 06:29 PM
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Well this is most surely the cause of code 7. Check for a short (unexpected continuity to ground) in this wire between D11 in the connector and the middle terminal of the TPS connector.
cool thanks man! i'll check into that right now. pitch black outside but nice and bright in the garage. a 15min job turns into an all night event. haha. work endless night for seconds of fun. what losers we all are.

thanks again for input stayed tune!
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Old Oct 15, 2009 | 08:02 PM
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ground problem somewhere... searching... nothing so far
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Old Oct 15, 2009 | 08:11 PM
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any advice on what i should test first?
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Old Oct 15, 2009 | 10:34 PM
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cleaned the thermo groubnd and 2 other major grounds in engine bay... i guess i'm gonna try and find an ecu to plug in and see what happens. what a joke. ecu craps the bed after leaving case open and moving it in and out of a garage... KILL!

more insight? ha
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Old Oct 16, 2009 | 08:27 AM
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bump.
hoping i can get some more ideas before i try an ecu swap later tonight once my buddy gets off work.

shoot off anymore ideas or direction? i'll continue google searching till then
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Old Oct 16, 2009 | 09:38 AM
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it soundsl ike its possible for your ECU to be bad. Are you running a conversion harness? becaues there could be a break in the wires at the conversion harness. I had this problem with mine and ended up jumping the harness altogether.
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Old Oct 16, 2009 | 10:27 AM
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Have you inspected each connector (TPS, ECT, IAT) for damage and checked whether any are swapped? List the colors of wires attached to each connector.
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Old Oct 16, 2009 | 12:33 PM
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i think what you have to understand is all 3 of these worked when started 2 days ago after everything was complete. nothing changed. now i have all these problems. we've already inspected the connectors. those are good too. gotta head to work now. but it will be a late night under the hood when i get home. keep ya posted!
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Old Oct 16, 2009 | 07:12 PM
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What happened, I was trying to get crome free to work, pile of ****. Either way after huffing and puffing for a few hours I found com port 7, the only port to work with freelog. The second I got this to work we started the car up and this problem started happening. I tried several maps in several versions of crome, including the exact map the car ran on the day before, then ran the car in limp mode where it did the same thing except much shittier with 450cc injectors installed. So literally the only thing that was touched was the ecu to move it out from under my feet once. So it slid on the floor of the car about 5 inches. I'm pretty sure honda ecus are stouter than this.
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Old Oct 16, 2009 | 08:46 PM
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chrome is pretty ****. But honestly if you put the same map back then wtf.
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