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Old Oct 13, 2009 | 03:08 PM
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Default Alignment results / 2.5" Drop (Skunk 2)

I have a 94 Accord Sedan with Skunk 2 springs and Illumina shocks. I took the car in for an alignment and these were the results. I'm about to put new tires on so I want to avoid wearing tires.
I've read and talked with several people who say that camber (-2 deg) is not going to cause excessive wear on my tires. It looks like I have -3 deg now but I'm not sure how to read the charts. Does this look right? Any help is appreciated.
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Old Oct 13, 2009 | 03:10 PM
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Forgot to add the results.
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Old Oct 13, 2009 | 03:47 PM
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edit- The toe looks good, im guessing you dont have camber kits so your camber specs are off a bit. Nothing huge but you might want to get a good kit like Skunk2 so you can even it out. But if you do youll have to get toe adjusted again.
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Old Oct 13, 2009 | 04:01 PM
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I'd be concerned with trying to find out why you have so much more camber on one side than the other up front.

Car ever been in a front end wreck?

But I wouldn't worry about the camber too much, just that something might be bent / moved.
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Old Oct 13, 2009 | 04:35 PM
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I'd be concerned with trying to find out why you have so much more camber on one side than the other up front.

Car ever been in a front end wreck?

But I wouldn't worry about the camber too much, just that something might be bent / moved.
I ran over a dead deer about 6 yrs ago on the NJ turnpike doing about 70mph. It's all coming back to me.

Is there any way to fix that or is a Camber kit the only way possible? Either way, do you think I'll have tire wear issues as it sits today?
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Old Oct 13, 2009 | 04:58 PM
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I ran over a dead deer about 6 yrs ago on the NJ turnpike doing about 70mph. It's all coming back to me.

Is there any way to fix that or is a Camber kit the only way possible? Either way, do you think I'll have tire wear issues as it sits today?
Tire wear? Probably not excessive wear with proper rotations.

The car might have a pull to one side though.

Camber kit? I wouldn't use one to correct such an issue. I'd replace the bent suspension part with a straight one.

I really don't know much about Accord suspensions, but if the lower portion of the suspension is attached to a subframe, like a 92-00 Civic or Integra, then the subframe could have been shifted in the accident, causing the cross camber issue.

Either way, I'd want the suspension issue fixed, not covered up by replacing other parts instead (adding a camber kit).
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Old Oct 13, 2009 | 08:14 PM
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The Accord has a very similar subframe to the Civic. I wonder if that could be the culprit. I'll see if I can take a few shots of the underside of the car and post them for you guys to see.

Thanks.
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Old Oct 14, 2009 | 02:16 PM
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does the car pull to the left
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Old Oct 14, 2009 | 03:01 PM
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The care doesn't pull at all but it does have a vibration between 65 and 75 mph. But that is because the tires I have on there are all in really bad shape.
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Old Oct 16, 2009 | 11:53 AM
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Default Re: Alignment results / 2.5" Drop (Skunk 2)

Originally Posted by TunerN00b
I'd be concerned with trying to find out why you have so much more camber on one side than the other up front.

Car ever been in a front end wreck?

But I wouldn't worry about the camber too much, just that something might be bent / moved.
x2

as far as camber i wouldnt go more than 1degree more than manufactures specs on your camber for minimal wear.. as far as rotating your tires for minimal wear that might work if you have a toe problem but not camber because the inside of the tire no matter where you put it is always sitll gonna be on the inside..
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Old Oct 16, 2009 | 03:54 PM
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as far as camber i wouldnt go more than 1degree more than manufactures specs on your camber for minimal wear.. as far as rotating your tires for minimal wear that might work if you have a toe problem but not camber because the inside of the tire no matter where you put it is always sitll gonna be on the inside..
We have a sticky thread dedicated to how you don't need a camber kit for even tire wear.

And no, going more than 1* past the manufacturers alignment specs won't help prevent wear. I've ran -4* of front camber for nearly 3 years now without any uneven wear.
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Old Oct 16, 2009 | 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by BoostedH23Accord
I ran over a dead deer about 6 yrs ago on the NJ turnpike doing about 70mph. It's all coming back to me.

Is there any way to fix that or is a Camber kit the only way possible? Either way, do you think I'll have tire wear issues as it sits today?
id figure out whats bent and replace. that might also be the reason you get a vibration at 65mph, apart from the wheel being imbalanced.

the bushing(s) being worn out cause cross camber issues too. check the healt of your bushings and your balljoints as well.

in terms of tire wear, you have nothing to worry about.
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Old Oct 17, 2009 | 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by TunerN00b
We have a sticky thread dedicated to how you don't need a camber kit for even tire wear.

And no, going more than 1* past the manufacturers alignment specs won't help prevent wear. I've ran -4* of front camber for nearly 3 years now without any uneven wear.
i call bs.....
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Old Oct 17, 2009 | 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by TunerN00b
We have a sticky thread dedicated to how you don't need a camber kit for even tire wear.

And no, going more than 1* past the manufacturers alignment specs won't help prevent wear. I've ran -4* of front camber for nearly 3 years now without any uneven wear.
i call bs X2..... the car sounds like it needs a lot of work.... the manufactuers make the spec for a reason, and i also dont get why you dont just buy a camber kit they are not a lot of $$.. and as for rotation your tires it will not help a camber wear issue when both front and rear have that much camber...
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Old Oct 17, 2009 | 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by RaceCarRyne
i call bs.....
Originally Posted by mooeys racing
i call bs X2..... the car sounds like it needs a lot of work.... the manufactuers make the spec for a reason, and i also dont get why you dont just buy a camber kit they are not a lot of $$.. and as for rotation your tires it will not help a camber wear issue when both front and rear have that much camber...
We don't know what tire compound he is running or mileage he puts on those tires. I will say this I myself am not running a camber kit and I have had the same tires for about the past for years on my EK with more than 3/4 life left. But then again I only put 3-4k a year on my car. But I do believe him only because it has been proven that TOE kills tires not camber.
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Old Oct 17, 2009 | 04:36 PM
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toe is worse than camber.. but camber will still cause uneven inside tire wear..
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Old Oct 17, 2009 | 05:52 PM
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not really but if you say so..... you win, cuz this is an old argument.

always get an alignment after changing camber or ride height, regardless.
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Old Oct 18, 2009 | 04:36 PM
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not really??? do you have any info to back that up? probably not...
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Old Oct 18, 2009 | 05:11 PM
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lol. dont be so mad that youre late to honda-tech.

i would normally help a noob by offering a link myself, but for you, ill just say, "search".
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Old Oct 18, 2009 | 07:16 PM
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Dude you're lucky they align lowered cars where you live. I'm truly envious. When I lowered mine, everyone around here was acting like they absolutely couldn't do it
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Old Oct 19, 2009 | 12:02 PM
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lol. dont be so mad that youre late to honda-tech.

i would normally help a noob by offering a link myself, but for you, ill just say, "search".
lol.. well i guess by the looks of your info... your best friend is probably your right hand. and you own nothin and or do nothing interesting with your life but sit on the computer.. im sooo jelous.
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Old Oct 19, 2009 | 12:06 PM
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getting personal. you win at the internet.
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Old Oct 19, 2009 | 02:10 PM
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thank u
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