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Old Sep 20, 2009 | 09:16 PM
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Hello everyone. Its comming close to me needing new brakes and I wanted to know what ppl have done. I need new rotors due to them warping and yes i can tell they warped.

I dont track my car and so upgrading inst major but I would like to do something different then stock. I read up on a TSX conversion for the front and keeping rear stock. I also saw the HFP kit. What do you guys suggest for rotors and pads?

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Old Sep 20, 2009 | 11:07 PM
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Cryo treated Brembo blanks, Hawk HP pads, stainles braided lines and some motul fluid.
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Old Sep 21, 2009 | 10:53 AM
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No body has any other inputs on what brake rotors and pads are good to get?

Thanks for the input Kid
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Old Sep 21, 2009 | 12:55 PM
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You can try www.fastbrakes.com, they have several Wilwood packages to choose from. I have an account with them and can sell you any kit they have. While I can't offer any discount off their prices you would be helping me get a slice of the pie, lol.

If you do get a kit from them be sure you get standard rotors because the rotors that come in their kits have machined slots/holes/dimples, not cast like they should be. They can crack this way.

I won't sell a slotted/dimpled/cross drilled rotors from them.
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Old Sep 21, 2009 | 04:43 PM
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use the OEM pads there good
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Old Sep 21, 2009 | 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by boxeocampeon
use the OEM pads there good
I'm sorry, but the OEM pads suck in my opinion. Try the Hawk HPS pads, everyone who has tried them say only good things about them. Thats what I plan to upgrade on our car.
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Old Sep 21, 2009 | 08:02 PM
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I'm sorry, but the OEM pads suck in my opinion.
In what way? Stopping power? Lifespan?

Elaborate.
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Old Sep 22, 2009 | 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Tadehi
I'm sorry, but the OEM pads suck in my opinion. Try the Hawk HPS pads, everyone who has tried them say only good things about them. Thats what I plan to upgrade on our car.
Cant really agree with this statement, I ran some lapping sessions @ Thunderhill on the completely stock brake system flushed with Motul RBF600 and ran into little to no fade throughout the day. With that being said, there is definite room for improvement through aftermarket parts. I went with Hawk HP+ (not really streetable IMO, too noisy) and F/R Goodridge lines and its exactly what you need to transform the brakes into a competent HPDE solution.

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Old Sep 22, 2009 | 07:18 PM
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Anybody have any takes on the HFP brake kit upgrade? Seems like a good value.
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Old Sep 22, 2009 | 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Tadehi
I'm sorry, but the OEM pads suck in my opinion. Try the Hawk HPS pads, everyone who has tried them say only good things about them. Thats what I plan to upgrade on our car.
42k miles on my oem pads and theyre still going with plenty of meat on them.
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Old Sep 22, 2009 | 07:20 PM
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hey greg, you were right when you were texting me about the wilwoods!
i put them on my wish list after i get my coilovers and my rpf1's =]
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Old Sep 23, 2009 | 06:16 AM
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I know man. I know that the HFP is like 450 but i can get a Wilwood big front brake kit cheap as **** from corsport. Its like 600 bucks. I thought they were like 1500ish.
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Old Sep 23, 2009 | 07:08 AM
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^yea i was looking at the ones that are 673 from corsport. i think it was the black drilled kit from wilwood. these are the ones i was telling you about before made by black label racing

http://www.jhpusa.com/store/pc/viewP...idproduct=3426
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Old Sep 23, 2009 | 08:57 AM
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I want the red calipers and I think i would want them to be slotted and not drilled. But corsport dosnt offer that option.

Those blacklabel racing ones look nice. With what ever i choose to do Im going to get a ss lines for the clutch and the brakes. I also will probably get EBC pads. The hawk pads are noisey as hell. My buddy has had a few sets of hawk pads.
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Old Sep 23, 2009 | 09:06 AM
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does he put the assembly paste on the back of the pads? I have seen a lot of people just toss on the pads without the paste, huge mistake.
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Old Sep 23, 2009 | 10:42 AM
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does he put the assembly paste on the back of the pads? I have seen a lot of people just toss on the pads without the paste, huge mistake.
I'll call and ask him today. I know that you are supposed to spray off the rotors and stuff to make sure they are clean with brake cleaner. And ive read that you need to put the paste on pads.

I also read on 8th somewhere when doing research that ppl have said the Hawk (i think) HPS pads were noisey as hell but they held up on the track well.
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Old Sep 23, 2009 | 10:48 AM
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In what way? Stopping power? Lifespan?

Elaborate.
Well I feel as though the car is a pig when it comes to stopping, but maybe its just me. I had an '01 sedan LX before the '09 sedan EX and I felt like I was able to stop much sooner, but maybe its just me. I know I plan on getting hawk pads when the OEM ones are done.
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Old Sep 23, 2009 | 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Greg50Lt
I'll call and ask him today. I know that you are supposed to spray off the rotors and stuff to make sure they are clean with brake cleaner. And ive read that you need to put the paste on pads.

I also read on 8th somewhere when doing research that ppl have said the Hawk (i think) HPS pads were noisey as hell but they held up on the track well.
Definitely clean the rotors with brake cleaner before putting them on. They come from the manufacturer with an oil coating to keep them from rusting. The coating does a great job stopping the rust but your car....not so much.

The lubricant that comes with your brake pads helps get rid of pad vibration. Pad vibration can cause extra noise and increased pad wear.

You are probably thinking about the HP+ pads as the noisy ones. HP+ pads are track pads and they make a little bit of noise until they heat up. I have HPS pads on all four corners of my Si and they don't make anymore noise than stock.

My recommendation for brake upgrades would be this....get performance pads (HP+ if you don't mind the noise HPS otherwise) and high temp brake fluid. For rotors, stay away from cross drilled and slotted. Cross drilled rotors tend to crack and slotted rotors will wear your pads faster. Neither slotted or drilled rotors give you better performance over a standard rotor. As far as brake line are concerned....your car is still new enough to were braided steel lines probably will not make a difference. The OEM brake lines have not aged enough to where they will start flexing when you use the brakes. I would wait on brakes line for a little while.

Good luck!
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Old Sep 23, 2009 | 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Tadehi
I'm sorry, but the OEM pads suck in my opinion.
x2!

They have decent stopping power, and they are good for normal driving, but they fall short on track. I took my Si out on track with stock pads (1/2 to 3/4 material left), and I had to drive home metal on metal. One weekend of track driving completely destroyed the OEM pads.
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Old Sep 23, 2009 | 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Tadehi
Well I feel as though the car is a pig when it comes to stopping, but maybe its just me. I had an '01 sedan LX before the '09 sedan EX and I felt like I was able to stop much sooner, but maybe its just me. I know I plan on getting hawk pads when the OEM ones are done.
Interesting. I was throwing new pads on my 03 EX every two months...no exaggeration. If I let it go more than two months I'd be rolling through intersections when trying to slow down from <20mph

My Si, (granted, it has larger brakes than the current gen EX) has better stopping power than my 03 EX did, even after a year and a half.
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Old Sep 23, 2009 | 08:06 PM
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Interesting. I was throwing new pads on my 03 EX every two months...no exaggeration. If I let it go more than two months I'd be rolling through intersections when trying to slow down from <20mph

My Si, (granted, it has larger brakes than the current gen EX) has better stopping power than my 03 EX did, even after a year and a half.
WTF? Were you hard on the brakes or something? For the ~2 or 3 years we had ours it we only changed the tires, whenever I changed the oil I always looked at the pad and they were low, but didn't need to be replaced.

Well...

'01 civic LX weighs 2510 Lbs whereas the '09 civic EX weighs 2820 Lbs
'01 civic LX has a front rotor of 10.3 in. which is the same as the '09 civic EX

So the same rotors stop 300+ more Lbs.

Granted the '09 has ABS and rear disks, but that doesn't really help, especially with the added weight.

We bought the '01 used @ 56K and traded it in @ 66K for the '09. On the test drive I HATED the transmission, but couldn't really test the brakes. Although they felt fine the transmission annoyed me the most. Plus it wasn't just my dad and I, it was with the salesman so I couldn't really test everything the way I would have liked.

I dunno I only really dislike the brakes when I have to make an emergency stop, thats when it feels like crap. During normal slow downs they are just dandy cause I coast to a stop with minimal braking. Maybe I am just bitching, but I think I won't be going to back to OEM pads.
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Old Sep 24, 2009 | 08:51 AM
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Chiggin thanks for the help and thanks to everyone for what you posted.
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Old Sep 24, 2009 | 05:52 PM
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I have the fastbrakes wilwood 12.6" 4 piston superlite package. I like them alot. And they have hawk hps and they are fine with noise, no problems. I paid 850. I wasnt gonna pay like 4 something for HFP stuff and just get rotors and pads. You need at least 10 mm wheel spacers with the stock wheels though. I am running 20mm spacers with Accord HFP 19" with 55mm offset and 245/30/19

Kidnkorner, I think they only sell dimpled and slotted rotors becaue it was the cross drilled ones that were cracking and not the dimples
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Old Sep 24, 2009 | 05:56 PM
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You guys know why I needed brakes right?....Maybe it's those 2 big round things by the exhaust manifolds that make that crazy whistleing sound!
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Old Sep 24, 2009 | 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by ajpturbopittsburgh
You guys know why I needed brakes right?....Maybe it's those 2 big round things by the exhaust manifolds that make that crazy whistleing sound!
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