so im wanting to build a b series motor for my 95 dx.
my goal is just like 200hp, my main goal is to be able to smoke my friends stage 1 roush mustang. i wont be able to get a turbo for a while, but am i heading in the right direction with a b series???????
i heard h series loose power in the trany. i dont want to buy something that ill regret.

yeah im new first post!!!!!

 

Good try
But I'm somewhat confused.
'B' motors are traditionally Civics motivators, not found in Accords (of who's forum you've posted).

IF you're talking about a '95 Accord DX, then I would advise against looking to plink a 'B' in the engine compartment. (you're going the wrong way displacement-wise)
IF (however) you're looking at a '95 Civic DX, a 'B' or an 'H' make sense. In fact, the 'H' swap is done all the time.

Note: there's nothing to support the "H looses power thru the tranny" statement you made. Any engine that isn't mated to a tranny which is properly geared will see differing effects.

If you've a Civic, you're in the wrong forum.

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no, this was a post that got moved,
but yes. its a 95 accord dx

im trying to go cheap. im thinking i could bore out a good b motor. i heard the b motors are lighter than the h. . not by much. but. basicaly, if you put an engine on a tank and and the same engine on a go cart. the go cart is obviously gonna go faste. im wanting to build a motor for my car that can keep up with most stock muscle cars. and just shave weight off my car everywhere.

and right no my car has a puny sohc 16 valve thats in good shape
i plan on getting started on this on my tax return

 

Well, you are correct on one thing, the Accord is a tank. Abet, a really really great tank that I wouldn't trade for anything; but that doesn't change the fact that it takes A LOT to motivate it.

And that equates to displacement (IE: Torque).
Even if you started with a B20B/Z you're still .2L deficient from either an F22 or an H22. And then there is the availability question along with parts availability.
The more common B18C series makes good power, but at higher revs. Best for Integra's and Civics, but going the wrong way displacement-wise.
The garden variety B16.......

Do your research first. Most swaps into Accords are F22 head swaps, H22's H23's K23's ect.

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thanks man. you prabably saved me a fortune haha

i have one simple question though. what engine and head should i go for

and. a guy i know just took an h22 out of his prelude. i was think about just buying that and boring it out, BUT!
would boring it out actually make it slower by chance? i read an article about honda motor timelines and how the compression and other stuff changes on different bore sizes, and somme smaller bore engines somehow put out more power.

 

there's the h22, h23, h23vtec, g23, k24, f22aX, f23, etc...

so there are options. what's your obsession with boring things out?? lol
bore size and pistons do affect power. it really depends what you're looking for you can build a high compression all motor or a low comp force inducted motor...

i think you need to do a little more research.

 

everywhere i look though for answers has a lot of false info. im relying on you guys here for true answers. some people get a kick out of making people spend hard earned money on usless junk haha. its sad

i just need a simple answer of what to buy
i want to spend $700 to $1000 on a dohc engine
but theres soo many. i dont know which one to search for.

 

Unfortunately I don't think your going to be able to get a suitable DOHC VTEC engine worthy of your Accord, purchased and installed for $1000. If your doing all the labour yourself and your looking to spend $1000 on the engine alone, that would be in the ball park. You should also bank on spending another $1000+ on general maintenance parts, installation parts and tuning/ECU/electronics.

 

no. im gonna rebuild the engine all myself and put it in when my stock one gets more use

basicaly. i just need the engine and transmission. and ill rebuild it in my uncles shop. im gonna get ALLLLL the parts saved up.mounts, drive shaft. radiator, belts, hoses, starter, computer..... ect everything, and when i have all that. im gonna take a vacation from work, and put it all in

i just need the engine, and transmission. for NOW
i just dont know what would be the best engine for my accord

im not trying to break any speed records, or drift, i dont want a track car, i just want my 4 door car to go fast enough to scare my friends riding with me. i want it to kinda suck em in the seats.

oh and i plan on getting a turbo next year, i know its not gonna be an over night thing.

 

You need to decide what your goals are before you start looking at buying an engine. If your looking to boost your engine next year. Spending a few bucks rebuilding the one you got is probably a good choice. If you absolutely need to have a DOHC VTEC??????? You could do an H22A1/4 head swap onto your F22 block.

Start looking looking around the forced induction forum for more info.

 

Do your research! Ton of info on this forum.

 

whats the pros and cons of a vtec vs non vtec
all i know is fuel consumption

and i dont really care about that
is vtech the definite choice?????

 

Boost the motor you got or look into an H23vtec bluetop or something.

The F20B would fit and give you a higher revving engine if thats what you want. But good luck on getting a budget accord to be faster than a rousch mustang. Not that it can't be done but it won't be cheap.

Look into the G23 motor build. That is budgetable if parts are found cheap. I put one together for less than 700.00 but had some of the spare parts laying around especially an F23 block.

That would be basically a lower compression stroked with an H22 vtec head that would be great for torque and low enough compression for boost.

Do some more research since you have time before you are gonna spend money. Buy it once and build it right the first time.
It costs 3 times as much to buy the wrong parts then it does just to buy better parts once especially when it comes to a build.

And forget about the B motors it doesn't fit without fabrication and it would be a waste of time.

Good Luck

 

H22. Depends on which version you're looking at.
If it's a dry deck version, it will have a high silicone content aluminum block w/o sleeves. It requires special alloy pistons, much like the ancient Chevy Vega.
The later wet deck versions incorporate the open deck / iron sleeve configuration. Because of the iron sleeves, conventional alloy pistons can be utilized.
The wet deck version duplicates the engineering phylosophy Honda carries thru most of their engine designs.
If you're all fired up about boring something out be aware that in most cases, these engines are resleeved. IE: Large(er) sleeves (with a larger piston bore) are installed in a modified block.

 

 

Boost or swap; Frankenstein or stock. Damn that rhymes!

Seems like you're not quite sure which route you wanna go with yet.

 

OK. it turns out my friend has a LOCKED up h23 that he said hell sell me for $350
he said it wont turn over.

since i plan on building mine, is this a really good deal? he said theres a shitload of extra parts. and i could rebuild the engine and fix it.

whats usually the problem with a locked engine too?

 

Locked up can mean a few different things.
1. Rod through the cylinder wall = The block is toast * requires sleeves or
2. It could be a seized bearing. = Check the crank and main journals. replace or repair as required.

I wouldn't give him $350 without knowing what's wrong with it. FYI - I've seen H23's selling for $450-$500 in running condition.

 

mainly. this engine is NOT going to have to be shipped to me. its right down the road. and im sure i could flash em $250 cash for it maybe $200 either way
would the head and other parts alone be worth it?
i can get a block for for about 200 or less.

 

If you can get it for $200 then yes it would be worth the trip down the road. $150 for the head and $50 for the IM. Fingers crossed that the block is OK.

If this is truly a friend of yours. Why don't you talk to him. Tell him that you'll give him $200 now and if the block is OK you'll give him another $100. True friends usually don't try to screw one another over.

 

cool cool. thats a good idea. hes not really a friend, hes just a kid i went to school with, and his friends are my neighbors.

so its possible that he knows the engine is shi+
but he didnt even try to fix it. he just bought an h22 and put that in there. he doesnt work on his own car see.

 

That's seems to be what a lot of people are doing now. If I had an H23 I would rebuild it vs going H22, but that's just me. I'm a displacement over VTEC kind of guy

 

see i dont know what half you guys are talking about haha
is there some sort of information filled article i can read to learn about all this stuff????? i want to leard everything

and there is a honda engine swap book @ autozone for $25 is it worth it?

 

There's a free h22 swap guide in the Accord FAQ

 

nice. im on it