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Old Sep 9, 2009 | 04:48 PM
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How imperative is it that the two mounting points are perfectly aligned on the same "plane"? What would happen if the mounting point on the control arm is say 1.5" lower than the mount below the core support? Would this aid in creating downward deflection in turn planting the tires? I am experimenting with this theory and am going to try it out this week at the track. Anyone ever tried this out? Bad idea?
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Old Sep 9, 2009 | 06:55 PM
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sounds like a great way to bind up your suspension and drive it into a wall....goodluck and take pics
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Old Sep 9, 2009 | 08:23 PM
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I am not talking about an extreme pitch on the bar just like moving the forward mounts up about an inch or so. Therefore it wouldnt be any more significant than a low car with traction bars. Seems to be a decent to me, utilizing forward momentum. I am going to try it and see if not I can just bolt it back into the lower location.
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Old Sep 10, 2009 | 12:59 PM
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What car?

If it is one that has the 2 piece LCAs, you need to keep the traction bar pivot point in a single line with the 2 existing LCA pivot points, or you'll bind the suspension (and probably tear the traction bar mountings off).

If the car has radius rods, you remove 1 of the existing 2 points installing traction bars and have complete freedom. Changing the angle of the LCA plane vs. the UCA plane is how anti-dive / anti-lift is built into suspensions. Just keep in mind that anti-lift is a partial binding of the suspension and doesn't change weight transfer, just its observed effects on the chassis.
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Old Sep 10, 2009 | 01:15 PM
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One piece LCA's. Glad someone finally replied... ****
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Old Sep 10, 2009 | 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by boostwhat
One piece LCA's. Glad someone finally replied... ****
For traction bar use, this is possibly the wrong forum to really get answers.

Street cars don't have much need of them, and track / auto-x use generally has rules prohibiting such modifications.

The drag racing forum probably has the most traction bar users.

1-piece LCAs, meaning with a factory radius rod? Since the radius rod functions as a traction bar (as opposed to the rear half of a DC2 LCA), I'm not entirely sure what the benefit here is. But I'm already at the end of my knowledge of such things here.
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Old Sep 10, 2009 | 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by TunerN00b
... doesn't change weight transfer, just its observed effects on the chassis.
Yes it does. The total load transfered is not changed, but how and when it is transfered is changed - analogous to roll centres during lateral acceleration.
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