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Old Sep 3, 2009 | 11:30 PM
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I have a 94 civic autotech. I notice that when i shift, i don't have to step on the brake in order to shift gears only for (d1,d2,d3,d4 and neutral) but parking and reverse i have to step on the brake. Plus my d3 and d4 won't go into gear. What can this be? Help
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Old Sep 3, 2009 | 11:38 PM
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fail safes they're there for a reason

you dont wanna be driving and accidentally shift into reverse while your going 60mph.
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Old Sep 3, 2009 | 11:39 PM
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You should be able to manually shift gears with any automatic without pressing the brake, except park and reverse......
Why don't you just throw it into drive and keep it there. If you wanna shift, get a manual.
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Old Sep 4, 2009 | 12:21 AM
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I wouldn't even mess with it, if it runs and drives. Drive it until it dies. Then buy a Manual

Agreed with others.
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Old Sep 4, 2009 | 12:44 AM
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you have a drivers license how????
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Old Sep 4, 2009 | 12:53 AM
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you have a drivers license how????
If only there was a test to be on honda-tech....you would fail
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Old Sep 4, 2009 | 08:41 AM
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that was directed at OP not you.
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Old Sep 4, 2009 | 09:08 AM
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What can this be? Help
Keep up the work with the unnecessary shifting and you'll never see your transmission again. In case you aren't aware of this, AT's were not meant to be driven like an MT. After D1, D2 and so on are generally meant to be used in an event of elevating uphill, hauling, etc. Thus making it much more easier for the transmission and further puts less stress on it. For daily driving, D1 is acceptable and is the only gear you want to be on. This is if you want to get the most MPGs and prevent your transmission to fail.
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Old Sep 4, 2009 | 11:09 AM
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Keep up the work with the unnecessary shifting and you'll never see your transmission again. In case you aren't aware of this, AT's were not meant to be driven like an MT. After D1, D2 and so on are generally meant to be used in an event of elevating uphill, hauling, etc. Thus making it much more easier for the transmission and further puts less stress on it. For daily driving, D1 is acceptable and is the only gear you want to be on. This is if you want to get the most MPGs and prevent your transmission to fail.
False, you want to be driving in D4 which is the normal "Drive" in an automatic civic from these years, if not all civics. D4 is for normal driving, D3 is for a hill, and 2 is for like a mountain. There is no 1 on the 96-98, as least, and if not for all civics.

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Old Sep 4, 2009 | 11:09 AM
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Hey Pat, D4 is where you want to be unless your mommy won't let you take the car out of the parking lot. Everything else makes sense though.
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Old Sep 4, 2009 | 02:15 PM
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Does it save gas to put the car into Neutral when you are going downhill or at a stop light, and will you put a strain on the transmission this way?
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Old Sep 4, 2009 | 02:19 PM
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yes it does save some gas, it will put a little stress on the trans but not much to go back to drive. Ultimately what i do (on my MT) is put it in neutral and shut the car off while coasting (im a hypermiler)
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Old Sep 4, 2009 | 05:39 PM
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My apologies as it was early morning as I typed it. Simply "Drive/D4" is what I meant.
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Old Sep 4, 2009 | 06:15 PM
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yes it does save some gas, it will put a little stress on the trans but not much to go back to drive. Ultimately what i do (on my MT) is put it in neutral and shut the car off while coasting (im a hypermiler)
that is ridiculous, how does that save you gas? it does put extra wear and tear on your battery and starter though.

@OP Just leave it on D4. But u were saying that D3 and D4 wont go into gear or that it just doesnt shift into 3 or 4 when u put it in that gear?
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Old Sep 4, 2009 | 09:47 PM
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lofl see this right here is why we spent half the day replacing a trans on a escort today because the **** didn't believe us that trying to drive it like a stick was going to blow it out
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Old Sep 4, 2009 | 10:35 PM
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that is ridiculous, how does that save you gas? it does put extra wear and tear on your battery and starter though.

@OP Just leave it on D4. But u were saying that D3 and D4 wont go into gear or that it just doesnt shift into 3 or 4 when u put it in that gear?
Because at idle you still burn gas thats why. My 96 sol (s) i constantly ranged from 60-70mpg. Gassavers.org, read, learn.
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Old Sep 4, 2009 | 11:21 PM
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yeah but doesn't turning your car on and off equal out to x amount of minutes spent idling
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Old Sep 4, 2009 | 11:36 PM
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on carbed cars yes, FI not nearly as much. Also when going down a hill its easy to bumpstart your motor. I did this for 3 years, never had a mechanical issue either (all i did was regular maintenance on the car, never had to replace a tranny, clutch, or any engine internals.)
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Old Sep 5, 2009 | 02:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Jimster480
that is ridiculous, how does that save you gas? it does put extra wear and tear on your battery and starter though.

@OP Just leave it on D4. But u were saying that D3 and D4 wont go into gear or that it just doesnt shift into 3 or 4 when u put it in that gear?
I drive several hundred miles every other day. Throwing your car into neutral(auto or manual) saves a TON of gas. the car runs at idle rmp...like 800 while running down hills. now unless you are a nincompoop you should be able to see why this saves gas running at 800rmp as opposed to 4500(freeway speeds) Turning the car off is kinda cheap but still effective nonetheless. even if it put more stress on the battery and starter, I can personally testify that the savings from doing this will buy you 10 new starters and 10 new batteries(Even though if you run honda stuff it still will probably NEVER break anyway).

I know it seems ridiculous to people that have money(or that have never driven on mountainous terrain), however in this economy i'm holding onto every penny I can, so this idea is not wrong,bad, or a waste.
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Old Sep 5, 2009 | 08:25 AM
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I drive several hundred miles every other day. Throwing your car into neutral(auto or manual) saves a TON of gas. the car runs at idle rmp...like 800 while running down hills. now unless you are a nincompoop you should be able to see why this saves gas running at 800rmp as opposed to 4500(freeway speeds) Turning the car off is kinda cheap but still effective nonetheless. even if it put more stress on the battery and starter, I can personally testify that the savings from doing this will buy you 10 new starters and 10 new batteries(Even though if you run honda stuff it still will probably NEVER break anyway).

I know it seems ridiculous to people that have money(or that have never driven on mountainous terrain), however in this economy i'm holding onto every penny I can, so this idea is not wrong,bad, or a waste.
no not that lol. I know that putting it in neutral saves gas as I do it all the time (or simply hold the clutch). I was questioning the validity of turning the car off. I guess this is only really possible in a DX model as the EX model has power steering and you cant turn with the car off so you would have to start it in order to turn or brake and that could get annoying as hell very fast.
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Old Sep 5, 2009 | 11:58 AM
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no not that lol. I know that putting it in neutral saves gas as I do it all the time (or simply hold the clutch). I was questioning the validity of turning the car off. I guess this is only really possible in a DX model as the EX model has power steering and you cant turn with the car off so you would have to start it in order to turn or brake and that could get annoying as hell very fast.
Well if you read my post "burn gas thats why. My 96 sol (s) i constantly ranged" you would see that I have a 96 s model sol. same options damn near as a dx.
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Old Sep 5, 2009 | 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Jimster480
no not that lol. I know that putting it in neutral saves gas as I do it all the time (or simply hold the clutch). I was questioning the validity of turning the car off. I guess this is only really possible in a DX model as the EX model has power steering and you cant turn with the car off so you would have to start it in order to turn or brake and that could get annoying as hell very fast.
Yeah, we used to kill the motor back in the day, however I didn't see any real MPG difference between that and idling down hills, so i do keep it running in neutral now..
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Old Sep 5, 2009 | 09:37 PM
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just my opinion on throwing the car in neutral
it’s a bad idea. Here’s why (with your automatic-equipped car). Many modern cars have fuel shutoff that kicks in (or out, depending on how you think about it) in foot-off-the-gas coasting situations. In those cases, with the car in “D” while going down hill, the car is using no gas at all. It can do this because the car’s momentum is being fed back through the transmission to keep the engine turning. On the other hand, by putting the car in “N,” momentum can’t turn the engine—there’s no connection with the wheels—so the engine has idle. And that uses fuel.

That’s on steeper hills. In off-the-gas situation on smaller hills, you’ll see the tachometer drop to about idle speed (thanks to something called a torque converter, which is actually a fluid connection in the drivetrain but that’s getting into more information than you need at the moment) so by putting it into neutral and allowing it to idle, you’d be getting about the same mileage. Radical “hypermilers” will claim there’s less drivetrain drag by putting the transmission in neutral, but radical hypermilers don’t drive automatic transmissions. And hypermilers do many things that are as dangerous or more so than hotrodders.

So anyway, there’s a chance that you might even use MORE gas by popping your car into neutral.

But there’s another reason not to use this trick: You’ll have less control over your car. In other words, it’s dangerous. You throw away the option of giving it the gas. You’ll also lose a little bit of engine braking—that slowdown you feel when you lift off the gas at highway speed—and in an emergency situation, that little bit of slowing can mean the difference between hitting and not hitting something. And that’s not considering the distraction of putting the car back in gear in an emergency situation.

And finally, coasting in neutral is illegal in most states. I don’t know how they’d enforce that, but there you go anyway.

So even if there’s an outside chance you’ll save gas, there are non-fuel economy issues that make it a bad idea. Leave it in gear.
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Originally Posted by ccarey
just my opinion on throwing the car in neutral
it’s a bad idea. Here’s why (with your automatic-equipped car). Many modern cars have fuel shutoff that kicks in (or out, depending on how you think about it) in foot-off-the-gas coasting situations. In those cases, with the car in “D” while going down hill, the car is using no gas at all. It can do this because the car’s momentum is being fed back through the transmission to keep the engine turning. On the other hand, by putting the car in “N,” momentum can’t turn the engine—there’s no connection with the wheels—so the engine has idle. And that uses fuel.

That’s on steeper hills. In off-the-gas situation on smaller hills, you’ll see the tachometer drop to about idle speed (thanks to something called a torque converter, which is actually a fluid connection in the drivetrain but that’s getting into more information than you need at the moment) so by putting it into neutral and allowing it to idle, you’d be getting about the same mileage. Radical “hypermilers” will claim there’s less drivetrain drag by putting the transmission in neutral, but radical hypermilers don’t drive automatic transmissions. And hypermilers do many things that are as dangerous or more so than hotrodders.

So anyway, there’s a chance that you might even use MORE gas by popping your car into neutral.

But there’s another reason not to use this trick: You’ll have less control over your car. In other words, it’s dangerous. You throw away the option of giving it the gas. You’ll also lose a little bit of engine braking—that slowdown you feel when you lift off the gas at highway speed—and in an emergency situation, that little bit of slowing can mean the difference between hitting and not hitting something. And that’s not considering the distraction of putting the car back in gear in an emergency situation.

And finally, coasting in neutral is illegal in most states. I don’t know how they’d enforce that, but there you go anyway.

So even if there’s an outside chance you’ll save gas, there are non-fuel economy issues that make it a bad idea. Leave it in gear.
I don't know where you get your facts...

If I couldn't have my car in neutral I could technically never shift. Putting a car in neutral does save gas if your on a long hill. Maybe not in short up's and downs but I drive on hills where I will coast for over 5 minutes. Add several hills like this in one trip and I save 10 bux in gas every trip.

I have to agree that while passing other vehicles or obstructions, that you should stay in gear, for control issues. Open roads with big hills....let her coast.
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Originally Posted by MHDesigns
I don't know where you get your facts...

If I couldn't have my car in neutral I could technically never shift. Putting a car in neutral does save gas if your on a long hill. Maybe not in short up's and downs but I drive on hills where I will coast for over 5 minutes. Add several hills like this in one trip and I save 10 bux in gas every trip.

I have to agree that while passing other vehicles or obstructions, that you should stay in gear, for control issues. Open roads with big hills....let her coast.
why do you care where i am getting my facts, i said it was my opinion. So let your car coast, if it works for you great, but i just don't agree with it, but hey I'm a mom and the child in my car isn't worth the loss of control that could happen at any moment weather its on a hill that save me 100 bucks a gallon or not, nor is it a risk if i should have a blow out and lose control of my car and kill someone.

Like I said, it's just my opinion.
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