Honda Civic / Del Sol (1992 - 2000) EG/EH/EJ/EK/EM1 Discussion

My del sol wont start when warm!!!

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Aug 29, 2009 | 07:40 PM
  #1  
94EG2B18's Avatar
Thread Starter
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 45
Likes: 0
From: Castroville CA
Default My del sol wont start when warm!!!

My del sol wont start when warm, it seems to ba a fuel pressure problem. If i open up the gas tank and let the pressure out it starts right up otherwise i must wait 5min.... what could be the problem??
Reply
Old Aug 29, 2009 | 07:45 PM
  #2  
Former User's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 45,214
Likes: 59
Default Re: My del sol wont start when warm!!!

Is the CEL on?

When the engine won't start:
-do you hear the fuel pump prime for 2 seconds when the key is turned to ON(II)?
-have you checked for spark?
Reply
Old Aug 29, 2009 | 07:51 PM
  #3  
94EG2B18's Avatar
Thread Starter
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 45
Likes: 0
From: Castroville CA
Default Re: My del sol wont start when warm!!!

no light
has spark
the pump primes
and it turns on fine when its cold...
Reply
Old Aug 29, 2009 | 07:54 PM
  #4  
Former User's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 45,214
Likes: 59
Default Re: My del sol wont start when warm!!!

It sounds like a bad main relay, but if this were the case the pump would not prime when the engine won't start. Are you sure the pump primes when you have the no-start problem?
Reply
Old Aug 29, 2009 | 07:56 PM
  #5  
94EG2B18's Avatar
Thread Starter
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 45
Likes: 0
From: Castroville CA
Default Re: My del sol wont start when warm!!!

yea i hear it right before it starts cranking....
if it was the relay then i guess the car wouldnt start even when cold...?
Reply
Old Aug 29, 2009 | 08:01 PM
  #6  
Former User's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 45,214
Likes: 59
Default Re: My del sol wont start when warm!!!

Originally Posted by 94EG2B18
yea i hear it right before it starts cranking....
if it was the relay then i guess the car wouldnt start even when cold...?
Main relays are notorious for causing no-starts specifically when the weather or engine is hot.

What you need to do when the engine won't start is:

1) Turn the key to ON(II), and then carefully listen for whether the pump actually primes.

2) Check for spark and note what color the spark is. It should be bright white.
Reply
Old Aug 29, 2009 | 08:04 PM
  #7  
94EG2B18's Avatar
Thread Starter
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 45
Likes: 0
From: Castroville CA
Default Re: My del sol wont start when warm!!!

My dad and i checked both the spark and listened for the pump.... but how do i check the relay?
Reply
Old Aug 29, 2009 | 08:06 PM
  #8  
B16Drag's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 1,391
Likes: 0
From: Somewhere in, Ca
Default Re: My del sol wont start when warm!!!

I saw main relay or even possibly a bad starter...
Reply
Old Aug 29, 2009 | 08:08 PM
  #9  
Former User's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 45,214
Likes: 59
Default Re: My del sol wont start when warm!!!

Again, any tests you do are meaningless unless they are done when the engine won't start. What color was spark? Did you check for battery voltage at the fuel injector connectors?
Reply
Old Aug 29, 2009 | 08:10 PM
  #10  
94EG2B18's Avatar
Thread Starter
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 45
Likes: 0
From: Castroville CA
Default Re: My del sol wont start when warm!!!

the starter wire was a bit loose but i tightened it and still the same...
Reply
Old Aug 29, 2009 | 08:12 PM
  #11  
94EG2B18's Avatar
Thread Starter
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 45
Likes: 0
From: Castroville CA
Default Re: My del sol wont start when warm!!!

and in the morning i will check for voltage at the injectors.... can it be the pressure regulator? cuz when i open the gas cap i can start it right up...
Reply
Old Aug 29, 2009 | 08:12 PM
  #12  
Former User's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 45,214
Likes: 59
Default Re: My del sol wont start when warm!!!

Is this a cranking problem or a no-start problem?
Reply
Old Aug 29, 2009 | 08:15 PM
  #13  
94EG2B18's Avatar
Thread Starter
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 45
Likes: 0
From: Castroville CA
Default Re: My del sol wont start when warm!!!

cranks fine and starts but rpms quickly go down and it dies...
Reply
Old Aug 29, 2009 | 08:17 PM
  #14  
94EG2B18's Avatar
Thread Starter
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 45
Likes: 0
From: Castroville CA
Default Re: My del sol wont start when warm!!!

its a 50/50 sometimes wont start and sometimes starts and dies... but leave alone for 5min. and no problems...
Reply
Old Aug 29, 2009 | 08:18 PM
  #15  
Former User's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 45,214
Likes: 59
Default Re: My del sol wont start when warm!!!

Originally Posted by 94EG2B18
and in the morning i will check for voltage at the injectors....
From what you have said, the engine starts fine when cold in the morning. Therefore, avoid doing any tests until the engine won't start.
Reply
Old Aug 29, 2009 | 08:21 PM
  #16  
94EG2B18's Avatar
Thread Starter
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 45
Likes: 0
From: Castroville CA
Default Re: My del sol wont start when warm!!!

yea ill run it till it wont turn on again... what else can i check/test?
Reply
Old Aug 29, 2009 | 08:21 PM
  #17  
Former User's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 45,214
Likes: 59
Default Re: My del sol wont start when warm!!!

You also might want to measure the fuel pressure.
Reply
Old Aug 29, 2009 | 08:24 PM
  #18  
94EG2B18's Avatar
Thread Starter
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 45
Likes: 0
From: Castroville CA
Default Re: My del sol wont start when warm!!!

i nkow i need the gauge but where do i measure?
Reply
Old Aug 29, 2009 | 08:26 PM
  #19  
Former User's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 45,214
Likes: 59
Default Re: My del sol wont start when warm!!!

The fuel pressure is measured at the fuel filter.
Reply
Old Aug 29, 2009 | 08:26 PM
  #20  
trustdestruction's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 4,134
Likes: 1
From: FL
Default Re: My del sol wont start when warm!!!

From the things you have said, I have to agree, it really sounds like an intermittently failing main relay. Take it out, pop its cover off, and re-solder the solder points on the circuit board inside (not hard, the circuits are very simple and large).
Reply
Old Aug 29, 2009 | 08:28 PM
  #21  
94EG2B18's Avatar
Thread Starter
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 45
Likes: 0
From: Castroville CA
Default Re: My del sol wont start when warm!!!

ok ill do both tests tomorrow..... anything else i should know??
Reply
Old Aug 29, 2009 | 08:29 PM
  #22  
94EG2B18's Avatar
Thread Starter
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 45
Likes: 0
From: Castroville CA
Default Re: My del sol wont start when warm!!!

and ill check the main relay solder points too..
Reply
Old Aug 29, 2009 | 08:30 PM
  #23  
trustdestruction's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 4,134
Likes: 1
From: FL
Default Re: My del sol wont start when warm!!!

Checking them won't help. You can't visibly see the weak connection... it is underneath the bubble of solder on each solder joint. Just take your soldering iron to each solder point and melt the solder on the solder point to re-solder the connection.
Reply
Old Aug 29, 2009 | 08:34 PM
  #24  
94EG2B18's Avatar
Thread Starter
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 45
Likes: 0
From: Castroville CA
Default Re: My del sol wont start when warm!!!

ok ill do that then... and why you think the problem goes away when i open the gas cap??
Reply
Old Aug 29, 2009 | 08:36 PM
  #25  
Former User's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 45,214
Likes: 59
Default Re: My del sol wont start when warm!!!

You can test the main relay, but the problem is intermittent, complicating the results. Click here to learn about how to resolder the joints.
Reply



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 07:10 AM.