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Old Aug 25, 2009 | 08:47 AM
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Just found this online. Interesting to see how the Si stacks up against the new Genesis Coupe.

Hyundai Genesis Coupe 2.0T vs Honda Civic Si Coupe: Track Comparison : Car Reviews



If you’re shopping for a sports coupe in the low $20,000 price range that offers the best combination of fuel efficiency and style for the street, along with grin-inducing performance capabilities around a race track, chances are you’re well aware of Honda’s front-wheel drive Civic Si and its high rpm screamer of an engine. At just $21,905 it’s a heck of a value, but you also need to consider Hyundai’s $22,000 Genesis Coupe 2.0T ($23,250 with 5-speed automatic transmission), a rear-wheel drive machine with sexy styling and a taut well-balanced chassis.

While these two might not seem like competitors, on paper the Honda and Hyundai are surprisingly closely matched, with 0-60 mph and 1/4-mile times favoring the Honda by 0.2-seconds in both acceleration tests but favoring the Hyundai by 0.1g of lateral acceleration around a 200-foot skid pad. With a power-to-weight ratio advantage to the Civic Si at 14.72 lbs/hp compared to the Genesis Coupe 2.0T at 15.85 lbs/hp, physics should come into play and allow the Honda to accelerate faster and reach higher straightaway speeds around our test track. But with wider tires and better weight distribution (54/46 front-to-rear, compared to 61/39 for the Civic) thanks to its rear-wheel drive design, the Hyundai should be able to close the gap with higher cornering speeds.

Of course how things look on paper is rarely how they play out in the real world, so to put all this theorizing to the test we headed to our local 1.4-mile 9-turn test track on a warm and sunny afternoon. Hey, it’s a tough job, but somebody’s gotta do it!
There's even a short video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMGiEHb-Oyg
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Old Aug 25, 2009 | 08:59 AM
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6spd 2.0 NA FWD vs AT 2.0 T RWD?

Pointless Comparison.
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Old Aug 25, 2009 | 09:33 AM
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no real stopwatch results, driver said he thinks the Civic is faster by a second.
Genesis is automatic
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Old Aug 25, 2009 | 10:02 AM
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Genesis is a GT and is meant to compete with the g35

civic si a FWD sport compact. Two totally different cars and I really don't see the point in comparing them. The only thing that can be said from that article is the fact that hyundai managed to build a rwd platform that can compete at the same price segment as other compact cars.

I'm really not a fan of the genesis for a whole bunch of reasons but god bless hyundai for offering variety in a price segment that much needed it. The only thing we can ask is can someone do it better and lighter?
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Old Aug 25, 2009 | 10:50 AM
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^so a rwd car thats just about as quick as a civic si is supposed to compete with a g35?? ehhh i dont think so hahaha
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Old Aug 25, 2009 | 10:52 AM
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^so a rwd car thats just about as quick as a civic si is supposed to compete with a g35?? ehhh i dont think so hahaha
Perhaps the Genesis Sedan is to compete with the G35x, but the Genesis Coupe and the G37/35? No way.
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Old Aug 25, 2009 | 10:55 AM
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^thats what i said
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Old Aug 25, 2009 | 11:53 AM
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Infinity G35 Coupe (3.5L V6) - rated at 306hp

Hyundai Genesis 3.8L V6 - rated at 306hp

The big boy Genesis seems to be able to hold its own power wise (don't know about weight).

Genesis 2.0T stands no chance.
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Old Aug 25, 2009 | 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by jewjew bean
Genesis is a GT and is meant to compete with the g35

civic si a FWD sport compact. Two totally different cars and I really don't see the point in comparing them. The only thing that can be said from that article is the fact that hyundai managed to build a rwd platform that can compete at the same price segment as other compact cars.

I'm really not a fan of the genesis for a whole bunch of reasons but god bless hyundai for offering variety in a price segment that much needed it. The only thing we can ask is can someone do it better and lighter?
True.
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Originally Posted by jewjew bean
Genesis is a GT and is meant to compete with the g35

civic si a FWD sport compact. Two totally different cars and I really don't see the point in comparing them. The only thing that can be said from that article is the fact that hyundai managed to build a rwd platform that can compete at the same price segment as other compact cars.

I'm really not a fan of the genesis for a whole bunch of reasons but god bless hyundai for offering variety in a price segment that much needed it. The only thing we can ask is can someone do it better and lighter?

It's not a Genesis GT. It's a 2.0t. It's written in the OP and said in the video about 15 times. I'm embarrassed for the Genesis to be honest with you.
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There's the problem. It's a Hyundai.
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HEY GUYS JUST SO YOU DIDINT KNOW HYUNDIA IS NOT A REAL IMPORT HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA

FWDFTW SON!!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by ballardsi
HEY GUYS JUST SO YOU DIDINT KNOW HYUNDIA IS NOT A REAL IMPORT HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA

FWDFTW SON!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old Aug 25, 2009 | 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by ballardsi
HEY GUYS JUST SO YOU DIDINT KNOW HYUNDIA IS NOT A REAL IMPORT HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA

FWDFTW SON!!!!!!!!!!!
HEY EINSTEIN......JUST SO YOU KNOW....TECHNICALLY THE SI ISN'T EITHER....IT'S ASSEMBLED IN CANADA.

DON'T BELIEVE ME.....LOOK AT THE VIN.....THERE IS A "2" AS THE FIRST DIGIT.

NOT ALL IMPORTS ARE "IMPORTED". SOME ARE ASSEMBLED IN CANADA AND THE USA. VICE VERSA SOME DOMESTICS ARE ASSEMBLED OUTSIDE THE U.S. BY NON-AMERICAN WORKERS.
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Old Aug 25, 2009 | 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by K5^
There's the problem. It's a Hyundai.
My car before the Si was a 2003 Hyundai Tiburon GT. I drove it for 96K miles before finally trading it in in mint mechanical condition. Only issue I ever had with it was an electrical problem with the turn signal.

I can't speak for other cars in Hyundai's lineup....but my Tiburon was actually a pretty good car.
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Old Aug 25, 2009 | 06:45 PM
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6spd 2.0 NA FWD vs AT 2.0 T RWD?

Pointless Comparison.
I agree, but the funny thing is all the cars that "compete" against the Si either has more displacement or forced induction or both.

Originally Posted by jewjew bean
Genesis is a GT and is meant to compete with the g35
The 3.8 V6 is

Originally Posted by FijiBlueFG2
Perhaps the Genesis Sedan is to compete with the G35x, but the Genesis Coupe and the G37/35? No way.
The 3.8 V6 is, it's the very car they are targeting in their advertising.
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Originally Posted by RICO_
HEY EINSTEIN......JUST SO YOU KNOW....TECHNICALLY THE SI ISN'T EITHER....IT'S ASSEMBLED IN CANADA.

DON'T BELIEVE ME.....LOOK AT THE VIN.....THERE IS A "2" AS THE FIRST DIGIT.

NOT ALL IMPORTS ARE "IMPORTED". SOME ARE ASSEMBLED IN CANADA AND THE USA. VICE VERSA SOME DOMESTICS ARE ASSEMBLED OUTSIDE THE U.S. BY NON-AMERICAN WORKERS.
Just so you know RICO, Canada is not part of the United States. The Si is definitely imported.
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Old Aug 26, 2009 | 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by 2008fijibluesi
Just so you know RICO, Canada is not part of the United States. The Si is definitely imported.
But Canada is not Japan. Which is what I'm assuming he was referring to. And considering the fact that the Genesis is actually assembled in South Korea where Hyundai's main plant is, I would think that makes it more of an actual import.

And even at that Honda still has quite a few facilities stateside. Six in Ohio alone I believe.

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Old Aug 26, 2009 | 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by RICO_
But Canada is not Japan. Which is what I'm assuming he was referring to. And considering the fact that the Genesis is actually assembled in South Korea where Hyundai's main plant is, I would think that makes it more of an actual import.

And even at that Honda still has quite a few facilities stateside. Six in Ohio alone I believe.
i think there is one here in ontario right off the 15. i see the huge building with honda on the back of it. but im not 100% sure. it looks too big for it not to be some type of plant
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Old Aug 26, 2009 | 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by i-VTEC_DOHC
i think there is one here in ontario right off the 15. i see the huge building with honda on the back of it. but im not 100% sure. it looks too big for it not to be some type of plant

wear your queitest pair of sneakers, infiltrate, take pics, and then book it, run to your computer, upload the pics, and show us whats good! lol
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Old Aug 26, 2009 | 10:11 AM
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Does it really matter where the parts came from or where it was made/constructed/assembled? Global economy > us.

/offtopic

Not a fan of the transmission but since I've yet to test it, I can't say how good or bad it really is.

The Genesis 2.0T has room to grow. I think people are forgetting that the RWD layout is (generally) superior to FWD and that the car has yet to be modified. I don't hear people breaking sound barrier records with a stock SI so people need to cut some slack here. In all honesty, most SIs owners know that their car is on the lower end of the performance side for vehicles within this category.
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Originally Posted by RICO_
My car before the Si was a 2003 Hyundai Tiburon GT. I drove it for 96K miles before finally trading it in in mint mechanical condition. Only issue I ever had with it was an electrical problem with the turn signal.

I can't speak for other cars in Hyundai's lineup....but my Tiburon was actually a pretty good car.
I traded in my 01 Hyundai Elantra GT last night for a 07 Si Sedan. The Elantra had 130k on it, and never had to have any work done to it save for scheduled maintenance. The car rocked.

I was looking at the 2.0T genesis, but I don't think it was practical for me. I would have wanted the Track version(or the yet to come R type) with a LSD, better suspension, and Brembo brake package, but It would be cost prohibitive for me.
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Anyone know what type of re-sale value Hyundia's have? Do they retain value the same as Honda's? I remember when Hyundia's first came to the US, they were viewed more as a joke than a car. The company sure has matured.
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so if the 2 liter motor is from mitsubishi, then who makes the v6?
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Old Aug 26, 2009 | 01:04 PM
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so if the 2 liter motor is from mitsubishi, then who makes the v6?
mitsubishi. lol
i heard that the 6 cyl is the same engine thats in the 6 cyl galant, but a little bit beefed up
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