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Old Aug 12, 2009 | 02:50 PM
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planning on doing a conversion on an EF.

i wanted to get as big as possible brake master cylinder that is a direct bolt on..

i am planning on ordering a brand new brake master cylinder.

i guess the biggest i should go with is the 15/16. it dont think the 1inch master cylinder will work as a direct bolt on, i think they are ABS cylinders. ill also need a new booster too.

im not sure which year/model integra i can use. as the shop only knows makes/model/year for ordering not actual part descriptions.

so i need to give them the exact car info to buy this.

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Old Aug 12, 2009 | 03:40 PM
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anyone?
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Old Aug 12, 2009 | 03:42 PM
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I used the 90-91 Integra MC and BB on my CRX and have had no problems.
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Old Aug 12, 2009 | 10:13 PM
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i'm 90% complete for brake swap w/ mc, prop. valve and bb from Integra 90-91 and i don't see any problem as of today....
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Old Aug 12, 2009 | 10:16 PM
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nice.. i used the 40/40 off the DA but i have GSR rear end i just need to pick up brake booster and M/C
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Old Aug 12, 2009 | 10:21 PM
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Is it possible to not swap the master cylinder or prop valve? I'm installing rear discs off a 90 DA on my 91 SI tomorrow and I just have the rear assembly and new trailing arm bushings. Not sure what else I need.
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Old Aug 12, 2009 | 10:24 PM
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i highly recommend if you can get the MC, BB and the prop. valve (40/40) as it should goes along with the rear disc swap.

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Old Aug 12, 2009 | 10:26 PM
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I just dont know what parts specifically to get.
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Old Aug 12, 2009 | 10:26 PM
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yeah you can use it like that..i had them like that for about 4 months, BUT! your braking power sux! you step on the pedal and it takes a while to slow down..you dont necessarily need the brake booster and M/C but you do need the 40/40 prop valve to distribute the fluid correctly to the bigger brakes
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Old Aug 12, 2009 | 10:30 PM
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Thanks for the help luna and alex and sorry if im thread-jacking. Does anyone have the part number for that valve handy? I'm going to try to get one ASAP.
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Old Sep 5, 2009 | 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by lunalink
yeah you can use it like that..i had them like that for about 4 months, BUT! your braking power sux! you step on the pedal and it takes a while to slow down..you dont necessarily need the brake booster and M/C but you do need the 40/40 prop valve to distribute the fluid correctly to the bigger brakes
wow, can anyone also comment on this?
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Old Sep 5, 2009 | 05:32 PM
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Yes; the former brake setup was smaller, and most likely utilized rear drums. The new, larger setup requires a greater amount of fluid to be forced to the calipers in order to have sufficient brake pressure.

Without the 4040 prop valve, there will be a lag in braking power because the brake fluid was not evenly distributed between the front and rear calipers.
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Old Sep 5, 2009 | 11:24 PM
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yup, if you need any of the parts, I have the stock 90 civic EX 15/16 MC and brake booster, and the 40/40 valve. If you use this one, it is a direct bolt on, and no modifications like with the Integra one. You need the booster with the 15/16 MC because of the fact that they use less pedal pressure to achieve better braking power. If you just swapped a 15/16 MC onto the 13/16 booster. You would have a squishyish pedal and you would have to depress the brake more to achieve the same braking power from the whole 15/16 set up.
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Old Sep 6, 2009 | 07:22 AM
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what happends if i keep the 13/16 MC and booster, which is stock on my car, but only swap out the 4040 for this setup?
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Old Sep 6, 2009 | 07:23 AM
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yup, if you need any of the parts, I have the stock 90 civic EX 15/16 MC and brake booster, and the 40/40 valve. If you use this one, it is a direct bolt on, and no modifications like with the Integra one. You need the booster with the 15/16 MC because of the fact that they use less pedal pressure to achieve better braking power. If you just swapped a 15/16 MC onto the 13/16 booster. You would have a squishyish pedal and you would have to depress the brake more to achieve the same braking power from the whole 15/16 set up.
how much do you want for the MC and brake booster? i have a 4040 valve already.
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Old Sep 6, 2009 | 01:02 PM
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90-91 civic ex master cylinder and brake booster is your amigo.
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Old Sep 6, 2009 | 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by 949
what happends if i keep the 13/16 MC and booster, which is stock on my car, but only swap out the 4040 for this setup?
you get a pedal like mine, where they stop your car GREAT!! but there's a lot of pedal travel. i have stock front std brakes, da rear brakes, new pads all around, 4040 prop valve and a 13/16ths mc.
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Old Sep 6, 2009 | 07:27 PM
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so on my EX I just need the rear disk set up and I am done?
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Old Sep 6, 2009 | 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by ef2 pimp
90-91 civic ex master cylinder and brake booster is your amigo.
This is true the 90-91 ex master cylinder is good upgrade and both of my ef's have rear disc brake conversion.
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Old Sep 26, 2009 | 07:14 AM
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Default Re: rear disc conversion question on master cylinder

so which is better?

the master cylinder and booster from a:

90-91 ex civic

or

90-93 LS integra non abs
(not sure if this correct)
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Old Sep 26, 2009 | 08:25 AM
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they are the SAME thing. just the bolt pattern for the m/c to the bb is reversed
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Old Sep 26, 2009 | 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by volksnuts
so on my EX I just need the rear disk set up and I am done?
I am curious on this as well since I have a 90 ex......
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Old Sep 26, 2009 | 03:20 PM
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they are the SAME thing. just the bolt pattern for the m/c to the bb is reversed


very good to know.
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Old Sep 26, 2009 | 03:22 PM
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does the ex civic 90-91 also use a 4040 prop valve?
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Old Sep 26, 2009 | 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by sw96
Is it possible to not swap the master cylinder or prop valve? I'm installing rear discs off a 90 DA on my 91 SI tomorrow and I just have the rear assembly and new trailing arm bushings. Not sure what else I need.
WAIT???
You have a 91 SI right? It should already have rear discs. What are you swapping discs on it for?
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