The K24A2 Progect comming in November 09


Once I get back to Fort Bragg, North Carolin my project will start. I've been looking for the motor mounts that fit the engine as well my 2000 Honda Accord EX 4DR. Then I have to get a transmission for that the K24A2 engine cause I've read and been told that my transmission won't bolt up to it with out a kit. That I'll loose a lot of Hp.... I'm not trying to loose any Hp. So It look like I have upgrade my tranny. Just haven't found any site yet. I went to www.hasport.com and www.trackspeedracing.com didn't see any motor mounts that would bolt up to a 2000 Accord EX. Can anyone recommend a good site to by these items off of.....


Thank Inadvance,
Tyson

 

I'm not so sure that you will be able to find any shop that has them already made. You will most likely have to have them custom made. There is a good write up on Honda Tuning for a K24 swapped 5th gen Accord.

From the few pages that I read it's not as simple as bolting on a set of aftermarket engine & trans mounts. If the 6th gen is similar to the 5th gen. You will have to weld in a new engine &/or transmission support brackets as well as use custom mounts.

How much of this work are you planning on doing yourself?

 

It has not been done on the 6th gen. Has been done on a the CD5 though as GHOST mentioned. Plan on having first hand exp. Yeah, no I don't imagine your tranny bolting to a k24. Entirely different gen with strong differences. Although I've heard something about the bseries trannies bolting to the k20a somewhere. Dont know if it was bullshit, any way that still wouldn't help you in an accord. You have to get the TSX trans or Type S trans if your getting custom mounts anyway. With about 30k and a few months you could build any tranny herehttp://www.xtrac.com/

Most power swaps for chassis has been the 3.2 Acura TL motor swap, I believe. One of those Acuras. I likey TSX

 

I'm not quite sure what you're saying, but if you're implying that the J32 motor is the most common swap, I'll have to whole-heartedly disagree. It would be one of the most LEAST common swaps.

 

Your right but what is the most common? I think more people swap the H22, but the most practical power swap is the Jseries. I assumed he was searching for the strongest power from a stock motor because he's looking at the strongest k24 honda has out there. The next strongest option for the 6th gen is the Jseries

 

4-cyl to 4-cyl swap, H22 is the most common. I4 to V6 swaps are far from practical, considering that everything in the engine bay needs to be changed. V6 to V6 swaps, well, just aren't very common to begin with.

Not to mention, an H22's tranny has much better gearing (for acceleration) than a J-series tranny. Unless it's the CL-S motor with a 6-speed manual tranny, an H22 Accord (with matching 5-speed tranny) will likely outperform any V6 Accord.

 

Your missing out on an even cheaper alternative. Probably the most practical swap of all. It's even cheaper than doing an H swap. The G23 - F23 short block w/H22 (F20B) head. This hybrid has been dyno tested to put down 246+ to the wheels and it's 1/4 the price of a good K series.

Google - K24 Vtec V.s. G23 Vtec there are a few good links available to the Import tuner article.

Cheers

 

246+ whp was NOT your normal frankenstein G23 though. The one you're talking about it had the following:
F23 block
H22 head
aftermarket (Wiseco) K20 pistons (achieving 12.8:1 compression)
Skunk2 Pro 3 cams and cam gears
52mm TWM ITBs
and a Kaizenspeed balance shaft removal kit

 

It can still be had cheaper than a K24 and more practical than a J32 swap. I thought that was the topic of discussion. That a J series was a more practical power swap option for the 6th gen. Hell, the 6th gen comes with the F23 so you don't even need to buy that part....

I'm just putting that out there as a cheaper more practical power option.

 

I was just pointing out that not every G23 frankentstein is going to make that kind of power. The way you had your post worded, it sounded like you were implying that.

When considering what's practical or not, I suppose we should also consider one's ability to dissemble/assemble an engine. Not everyone has the same knowledge/experience, and I would not recommend tearing into an engine to just anyone. Paying someone else to do the labor (in this case) would substantially raise the cost of building a hybrid.

 

and not everyone has the ability to fabricate, locate and weld a set of custom engine brackets in a bay. Ether way it's not cheap to do a swap if you can't lift a finger yourself.

 

I agree with Ghost and well I thought about the G23 but Im guessing someone taking the approach he's taking(he thinks he needs a kit to bolt the tranny?Not even whether RSX type S or TSX no kit req) is not too savvy about building engines so I ruled out the G23. It would be a nice way to go as he more than likely already has a F23 as Ghost mentioned. H22 will require new wiring as will a the J3X engine but the Six gens already have V6 Jseries motors in them not just f23's so there could be more support as far as getting it going than there would for a complete series swap. Not to mention how cheap it would be to find it. Only problem is labor costs which some of us don't have to worry about. Personally I don't like the Jseries motors but think about turbo charging Six cylinders and the potential that yeilds? In an accord you could probably run Twin turbo, laughs.

 

That guy needed a kit because 1) he's putting it in a Civic, and 2) he's using a tranny other than an H or F tranny.

A V6 swap into a 4-cyl car requires a lot more than just wiring. New A/C plumbing, new power steering pump plumbing, all the accessories from the V6 (they're all different from the 4-cyl), cruise control routing, radiator hoses, battery placement... I mean, EVERYTHING is different. Take a look at some engine bay pictures and you'll see what I mean.

Wiring for an H22 swap is much simpler than a J30/J32 swap, not to mention that you don't have to deal with most of the other problems involved with a V6 swap.

 

Stock pistons? What happens at 7K RPMs?

 

You must not have read the rest of the thread, or the link.

No, not stock pistons. Wiseco (aftermarket) K20 pistons which gave the motor 12.8:1 compression.

And, what about 7000 rpms? No one mentioned anything about 7k rpms...

 

Thanks for all the feedback on all that is practical or has the more power and what other options are out there. I think we are loose site of my original question. Can anyone recommend a good site where I might be able to get this piratical engine mounts custom made? My thing is I'm not the one that going to follow in everyone else footsteps.
I the type that want to break the mold if it can be done the I want to do it. I know that it going to cost a lot of money to have what I want done to my 2000 Honda Accord EX ------>
not a Civic... I've been told and reached all the in and outs of my engine before even wanted to go this route. I know I need to get custom engine mounts and might have to change out my dash for analog to digital.


F23A4 but the F23A1 substantially similar that is the engine that currently in my car now
Specifications:
Bore × Stroke: 86.0 × 97.0 mm
Displacement: 2254 cc
Valve Configuration: SOHC, 16 valves, VTEC
Compression ratio: 9.3:1
Max power: 150 hp (112 kW) @ 5700 rpm
Max torque: 152 ft•lbf (205 N m) @ 4900 rpm
The F23A4 is substantially similar, but features ULEV certification with a slight reduction of power: 148 hp (110 kW) with a maximum torque of 148 ft•lbf (200 Nm). This engine has a different exhaust manifold and a 32-bit ECU which uses a wideband oxygen sensor.

Ya I might not that much gear head or some that experienced in the K series motors. I've be a mechanic in the United States Army for about 12 plus year with 8 more yrs to go. I know a thing or two about pulling an engine out of bigger vehicles then a Hond has in it. I've replacing Cyl, done timing the fuel sys, rebuilding a tranny and engines in the military. So I can turn a wrench and still do. That was my main reason for asking the questions to get the insight from people that have swap these style of engines what to look out for and ect. Once again that for all you input. If someone can answer my original question I would be most grateful.

Thanks Inadvance,
Tyson

 

i think you're gonna have a pretty cool original build when you're done... right, so how do you get there...

i think what may benefit you the most is to contact hasport or other similar company and tell them what you are looking to do. they specialize in this kind of thing. Even though they may not sell a kit for this yet, they may have some individual parts that would work with slight modification.

share with us what they say. I expect it to be some pretty good insight.

 

Unfortunately, you can't just order some custom made engine/tranny mounts online. Whoever is going to make the mounts will need your car and the new motor and tranny in order to make the mounts. If the custom engine/tranny mounts could be purchased online, you wouldn't exactly be "breaking the mold"...

 

Somebody already makes the mounts for the 6th gen. I thought it was hasport but it didnt show when I checked their site, nor did google bring anything up. I did see it advertised in a link on a different forum where a guy is in process of doing the swap on a 4dr. Try checking that out...I know its out there

 

K20.org the user name is cg6accord

The mounts are still a mystery, from what I read and saw he doesn't have them installed in his car as of yet.

here is the link
http://www.k20a.org/forum/showthread.php?t=50238

Join up and ask him about the mounts he said he's got.

 

Custom

 

TSX makes more power than your f23, your f trans will not bolt to the k trans (spins other way) you need a k20 tranny to fit the aftermakrtet mounts. a k20 transmisson will bolt to a K24 block no worries, no adapter plate or anything.

anyways there is alot more support for these swaps into a civic and can be done for around $8000. $12000 if you don't know what the **** you're doing.

the 88-00 civics are much lighter than any accord made either, i bought to accord to beat the living **** out of and daily drive. i know most of those ricer mags tell you the accord is better than a civic and prelude is the only car that performs etc. simply not true. you want lighter cars

-source
Hybrid racing mount equipped k24 swap into my civic

 

Except for the whole some people don't want to roll around in crappy rattle boxes just for speed. I believe we butted heads before. I swapped my Accord because of the rarity of the platform and mileage. It was almost 3/4's of the way price wise for maintenance than it was for a H22A swapped in with that same work done for it.

Power to weight is not everything.

 

eh different **** for different people, i like the civic. it doesn't need to have leather,GPS, ABS and all this bullshit modern sports cars have on it , it goes fast for a little while (though not very reliably or comfortably) and you put it away. no need to worry about that new part nobody has tried out yet is reliable enough to drive 50miles to school or work, nobody thinks less of you for pulling up in a modified Asian car, nobody has to know you own it! and you can enjoy your hobby.


or if during a late night rush modification you forget a bolt and your only car is on the side of the road.

which is why i just grabbed the cheapest car that is comfortable to drive, that and i learned how to drive in one of these POS accords

 

And the CD chassis has none of that either depending on model. The CG chassis is a large step up and not necessarily a mad tyte race car that you crave but is far from a "POS"

And calling the Accord chassis a "POS" in the Accord section doesn't exactly seem like the best idea does it? Your opinion of a POS isn't the definition for the remainder of the section. If you post up in here you should at least respect the car.

Don't like yours? Then sell it and buy a beater civic.