I went from 15x6.5 with 195/50/15's
I have neuspeed springs that lower the rear 1.8 inches.
I upgraded tires to 15"x7 with 205/50/15's azenis

Now the fenders and biting into the tires fairly bad. Does anyone with a similar setup know if rolling the fenders will be sufficient or should I try to find a 15" wheel with a 50mm offset? I have an autocross to attend on sunday and I'd like to run the azenis but I think that may be out of the question at this point.

Anyhelp would be MUCH appreciated. thank you in advance.

 

dude..... WTF! its a street tire, get over your yokohoma fetish. the parada isint a "race tire" and neither is the azenis. why dont u just not answer if u have something bad to say.
and i ma not sure about your rubbing issues. u have to remember that every vehicle is difference when lowered, do you have a camber kit? have u looked to see if its just the lips that are rubbing? usually when a camber kit pulls the negative camber out the tires have a tendancy to rub.

 

JDMhondaslut: I shouldn't expect an intelligent reply with someone with such a name.

Anyway, I'm only using the tires for autocrossing, idiot. I can't imagine trying to drive around in the rain with the tread provided by the azenis. I don't think I would of had a rubbing problem in the fashion I have if I would have spent the money and got wheels with a decent offset. I'm going to try and roll the fenders and see what happens, if all else fails I guess I'll have to invest in different wheels or sell the azenis.

 

rolling fenders should work.. but Lt. Dan has a set of 15 inch rotas and is dropped on ground controls and koni's and has no problem..

i run the azenis all the time, everyday... they don't wear excessively, and the are good for the events i go to on the weekends.

 

hate to say i agree but i do. azenis are overkill for the street and they're too damn wide for an ef unless you have the perfect offset and even then you've got a good chance of rubbing...


anyways though to try and help rather than just bitch there was one guy on the crx forum... dropshop who made some custom (shortened) lca's to help correct the camber in the rear and stop the rubbing. i think he was gonna make more, you might want to try to hit him up

 

I bought me a baseball bat and rolled the fenders and that "seemed" to fix the problem. Turn after turn the rubbing wasn't there but ONE turn getting on the freeway I REALLY cranked it and got the pass. side to rub. rolling the fenders did improve the problem significantly.

I think I'm just gonna keep the azenis and the wheels they're on and when I have the cash for my body work (HUGE rust problems on 1/4 panels) I will have the shop extend or lift the lip so that the problem won't be a problem anymore.

Then I can run those wide as tires!

BTW: did anyone see that I said, "I'm only going to be using them for autocross"??????? I live in a very rainy place and using azenis for the street would be outright stupid. I'm using sumitomo htr 200's for the street.

 

The solution is simple: don't lower your car. Or at least don't lower it as much. I am running 205/50/15 Azenis on my 1988 DX at stock height and have no problems with rubbing. By the way, I beg to differ with anyone who says 205s are overkill on a CRX. Handling is MUCH more confident than with the old Dunlop SP8000 195/55/14 tires (which are not bad tires). And my 60 foot times have dropped greatly with these tires compared to 195s. The Azenis 205/50/15 is probably one of the biggest reasons why my CRX went from being one of the slowest B16A hybrids to one of the fastest at Sacramento Raceway.


[Modified by StorminMatt, 2:51 AM 8/28/2002]

 

No rubbing here
yeha -.5 degrees of camber




[Modified by Usdm ED9, 2:56 AM 8/28/2002]

 

Where did you get those rear lower control arms?

 

I would like to know too.

 

I've been told by many people that the Azenis actually has exceptional traction on wet surfaces. They do have a traction rating of A, which I believe is based on wet traction.

 

spc lower arms
GroupBuy has em cheep
or i can sell u a set
$175

oh in the rain the AZENIS are fine
ive even driven in snow
its only 2-3" of water they have a lil trouble w

 

Um, dumb question: why don't they make Azenis in more sizes? My Dunlop SP9000s (bought 'em when my car was daily driver - needed all-weather traction) are about done, and will be replacing. Seems like Falcon is shooting themselves in the foot to not offer more sizes, then all of us could be happy with the appropriate 15" set-up.

Personally, I don't think that it's worth it to get a tire that's not the correct size, on the hopes that it'll fit without any problems. I just got my quarter panel rust taken care of, and have no interest in rolling fenders or lca bs.

I'm not trashing anyone, btw. Simply curious - Falcon must have heard from tons of potential customers that their size range is too damn small.

 

Nice camber set up

 

Are the rubbing in the front or rear?
In front can easily be fixed by hammering out that plastic nut on the inside.. the tire rubs on that nut only! Also are your shocks rebound adjustable? set the rebound harder. What's the offset on those rims?

 

and if u look close u can see the rear disc swap he has
sweet combo
i will like a lot to have that LCA. hmmmmmm

 

get some coilovers !
yes i use to like my crx dumped but i can't now with my motor

 

Here's some info for you guys:

When choosing wheels, especially Rotas, it's important to remember the offset.

Circuit 8's have an offset of 38 while the Slipstream and Sub Zero have a 40 offset. This means that the C8 sticks out more, thus it will scrub more easily.

Also, something to consider when having your alignment done:

Honda allows for negative camber when alignments are done. I do alignments on lowered vehicles at my shop and I have all the software that give me the correct and allowable specs, and for the Ef it looks like this:

Front camber: +1 to -1 degree of camber. This means you can safely run 1 full degree of negative camber and still wear tires flat.

Rear camber: +.8 to -1.3 degress of camber. Agian, you could run up to -1.3 of camber and still see no signs of uneven tire wear.

People get this camber kick and try to set it up at 0 degrees, but this will cause more tire scrubbing.

Also:

EFs have inherently smaller wheel wells than the EG. I run 205-50-15 Azenis on my EG on Rota C8 wheels and I could not see how I'd fit these on my 1990 hgatch without being near stock height.

Azenis are hands down THE most popular street tire at the SCCA events, but there are more tires coming out now to compete because Falken killed everyone for a good year now.

The Yoko AVS ES100 will probably not be as close to the bad-*** AVS-intermediates of old. AVS-I had 160 treadwear while the new ES100 has a treadwear of 280. Now you can't base traction on treadwear alone, but it does give you a good indicator of a tires dry grip.

Hope some of this helped in some way.

 

JDMhondaslut: you have now made it very clear that you are quite INCAPABLE of helping others. By ending your posts with "bitch" you HAVE displayed your intelligence. I posted looking for help. I DID do something stupid by not doing enough research before I made a large purchase but hell, accidents happen and to Err is human. I've been on this board for some time helping and recieving help and I don't think ANYONE here appreciates what you have to offer.

Never post anything in my threads again unless you plan on being something other than an ******* because right now you're doing nothing more than displaying how worthless of a honda-tech member you are. Have a nice day.


[Modified by rice_classic, 12:35 PM 8/28/2002]

 

i just got my car aligned yesturday and my printouts read that the rear could be from a min. of -1.43 to a max of .57 degrees, who knows maybe some places have different programs....
my front ended up being at -.06 on both sides, looks like the tires would rub but they dont.. and i have rota c8's 16"... they did a good job with alignment, got all the #'s within factory specs so im pretty happy...

 

rex vt, what plastic nut are you talking about on the inside. Where exactly is it located? I still haven't figured out my noise, and i'm thinking its the tires again.

 

Here's a stupid question. . . Why would you buy aftermarket LCA's? What performance advantage would you gain?

 

well being that they are shorter they pull the tire in
and there fore reduce rubbing once corrected by the upper camber kit






[Modified by Usdm ED9, 1:23 AM 8/29/2002]


[Modified by Usdm ED9, 1:24 AM 8/29/2002]

 

they also rub on my buddies crx

 

These do not rub on my pal's 1990 Si hatch with B16A swap, KYB/AGX struts, and the exact wheels and tires listed in that quote above.

Although his car is not as low as most people - he has at least a 2 finger gap between the top of his tire and his wheel wells.

Couldn't hurt that I did his alignment either.