DA front spindles on EF=bad allignment!

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Old Jul 25, 2009 | 12:40 PM
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Default DA front spindles on EF=bad allignment!

My car is all over the damn place, does anyone know how to DIY adjust it, or do i need to take it to a shop?
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Old Jul 25, 2009 | 12:47 PM
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idk how to do it my self but im amost positive is you just play with your tie rod ends you can fix it, it'll prob. take alot of trial and error but it saves you $$$ try it out if you got time
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Old Jul 25, 2009 | 12:48 PM
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Old Jul 25, 2009 | 12:57 PM
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yeah they are slightly different i think it just adds some camber. and what do you mean when you say "its all over the place"?
did you count the threads on the tie rods when you removed them?
Get an alignment at a shop but dont fix/worry about camber just fix the toe and center the wheel if needed.
But you kind of make it sound like something else is wrong, have you double checked all your work?
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Old Jul 25, 2009 | 01:44 PM
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Get an alignment, anytime you mess with suspension like that you need an alignment.
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Old Jul 25, 2009 | 02:08 PM
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yeah they are slightly different i think it just adds some camber. and what do you mean when you say "its all over the place"?
did you count the threads on the tie rods when you removed them?
Get an alignment at a shop but dont fix/worry about camber just fix the toe and center the wheel if needed.
But you kind of make it sound like something else is wrong, have you double checked all your work?
I drove about 150 miles last night on bumpy *** back roads, and every time i hit a bump the wheel would jump so bad i practically had to countersteer. I went over some wet pavement going around a corner and i felt like i hit an oil slick. Whenever i did the swap, i cotter pinned every castle nut and tightened everything down. Im messing with my tie rods right now and ive got the wheels straight, but not the steering wheel. Ive parked it with the steering wheel straight now im going to play with the tie rods agian to make everything straight. Ill post results when im finished
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Old Jul 25, 2009 | 02:24 PM
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thats what i did. i have bad outward toe. and i just set my steering wheel straight. and i ****ed with my tie rod ends. you can also measure from center thread from the front right tire to left front tire.
and then match it up to the same to the back of the tire.

for example. if you have 103" in the front of the tires.
and 101" in the back.
just make both of them 102"
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Old Jul 25, 2009 | 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by EL Vap133
Get an alignment, anytime you mess with suspension like that you need an alignment.
don't need to, my alignment is straight as before when I swapped ex knuckles. perfect alignment as I had on my si knuckles...
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Old Jul 25, 2009 | 03:02 PM
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how are the shocks? when you push down on the fender does your car settle after a small bounce or does it keep bouncing?
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Old Jul 25, 2009 | 03:16 PM
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don't need to, my alignment is straight as before when I swapped ex knuckles. perfect alignment as I had on my si knuckles...
You do know there is a difference between DA knuckles and EX civic knuckles, right? If your alignment was fine (I doubt you would even know unless you actually checked on an alignment rack), then you just got lucky.

To the OP, you need to get a PROFESSIONAL alignment. There are ways to get a decent alignment without going to a shop, but it is a little complicated. There is really no other way around this for you.
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Old Jul 25, 2009 | 08:41 PM
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To the OP, you need to get a PROFESSIONAL alignment. There is really no other way around this for you.
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I learned the hard way that unless you've got a perfectly level slab of concrete and a hour or so to kill with a friend adjusting and checking your toe and camber, It is much better to get a pro alignment.

Just find a shop that will do a nice Ca$h seal if you are worried about the price
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Old Jul 25, 2009 | 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by 88Hatchy
You do know there is a difference between DA knuckles and EX civic knuckles, right? If your alignment was fine (I doubt you would even know unless you actually checked on an alignment rack), then you just got lucky.

To the OP, you need to get a PROFESSIONAL alignment. There are ways to get a decent alignment without going to a shop, but it is a little complicated. There is really no other way around this for you.
How I know my alignment is ok is because when you change knuckles you don't change the tie rods for the toe adjustment. So my toe was good before and you don't mess with the tie rod when you change knuckles and the integra knuckles I have no clue wtf is difference maybe longer. I know the civic ex knuckle is the one I needed which I got from local junk yard which I took off ALL THE brake components and installed on my 89 si. so my comment is that you don't need alignment if your alignment is perfect or unless you change the tie rods. I also know my alignment is perfect because I have even tire wear on my tires so that means everything related to alignment is fine, also my steering wheel is straight. If alignment was off your tires would be dragging which **** you up fast.
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Old Jul 26, 2009 | 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by alx_90ef
thats what i did. i have bad outward toe. and i just set my steering wheel straight. and i ****ed with my tie rod ends. you can also measure from center thread from the front right tire to left front tire.
and then match it up to the same to the back of the tire.

for example. if you have 103" in the front of the tires.
and 101" in the back.
just make both of them 102"
hmmm thats sounds interesting, i think ill try that
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Old Jul 26, 2009 | 12:30 PM
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Default Re: DA front spindles on EF=bad allignment!

Originally Posted by grog
how are the shocks? when you push down on the fender does your car settle after a small bounce or does it keep bouncing?
Its pretty stiff, I have ground control springs with kyb nitrogen shocks. It was totally fine and comfortable with the stock spindles, but it turned to crap with the DA spindles on it. The reason i changed them is because a wheel bearing went bad on the stock ones.
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Old Jul 26, 2009 | 01:20 PM
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Ok sounds like the spindles/arm are bent to or warped. if you didn't have problems before and all the bolts are on and tight looks like a problem with the spindle or spindles. Last time I hit the curb bent the hell out of my spindles on my older car.
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Old Jul 26, 2009 | 05:03 PM
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it took awhile, but i finally got it going straight. I kept making fine adjustments and test driving around the block. When I got it as straight as i could i took it down the main road and hit as many bumps as possible and its pretty smooth. A LOT better than before. This should last me a couple weeks until i can afford an alignment.
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Old Jul 26, 2009 | 06:30 PM
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not sure how you can mess up the alignment just by changing the knuckle you must have changed the toe links also.
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Old Jul 26, 2009 | 10:20 PM
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Default Re: DA front spindles on EF=bad allignment!

it's because the DA knuckles are a differen't size and are cast different.

https://honda-tech.com/forums/honda-crx-ef-civic-1988-1991-3/da-knuckles-vs-si-knuckles-ex-knuckles-big-brakes-2140287/

read this
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Old Jul 27, 2009 | 03:50 AM
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Default Re: DA front spindles on EF=bad allignment!

Originally Posted by 88Hatchy
You do know there is a difference between DA knuckles and EX civic knuckles, right?
Are you sure about that statement? https://honda-tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2140287
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Old Jul 27, 2009 | 10:08 AM
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hey i just posted that thread toad!
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Old Jul 28, 2009 | 04:50 PM
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wen i did a swap in my ef i had to change the spindle for the axles to fit. n i put 94 abs integra spindles. i was all over the place 2 but wit a proper alignment it should go away. just drive save until u can get one.
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Old Jul 30, 2009 | 01:04 PM
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hell yeah dude, its still a little shaky but i can handle it. Before i adjusted the tie rods it felt like a damn rally car
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Old Sep 24, 2010 | 03:27 AM
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Well, just a bit of an update, I have since installed DA rear trailing arms and changed my front springs to Eibach sportlines from a BB Prelude. The extra stiffness helps really well with the taller spindles, there's less negative camber during compression. Only downfall is that the springs are massive and im as low as I can go on my ground control sleeves and the top of my tires are barely hidding behind the top of the fender arch. Oh yeah, and thats with the fenders rolled and pulled.

Slight problem with the DA rear discs,...My wheels stick out about a 1/2 inch farther from the car than with stock drums. If im standing with my forehead on the roof looking down the quarter panel i can see them sticking out. I've used the my stock RLCAs arms, compensator arm (i think thats what its called? the arm used to adjust rear toe..), and stock upper trailing arm. Whats up with that? Anyways I took this opportunity to roll/pull my rear fenders so my tires wont rub on them. I have a set of civic si rear trailing arms I just picked up, should I use these instread?
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Old Sep 24, 2010 | 01:44 PM
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Just the way it is. You need to use your LCA,Compensator Arm and UCA that came stock with your car the only thing you are putting on it is the rear trailing arm and yes they do stick out a little, just the way it is.
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