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HELP!!! piston has me stumped

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Old Jun 12, 2009 | 11:25 PM
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hey H-T,

recently had to put a new piston in my motor (melt down) and finished it up and everything was running fine. drove it for 200 miles, blew my oil pan gasket, spun 3 rod bearings so i pulled it apart to re-bearing it. i was inspecting the pistons and 1-3 were flawless and had no problems. then i get to piston 4, the one i JUST replaced and re-reing the whole nine yards, and there is a hairline fracture on the ring-land again! i clean it up for a closer look, start to take the rings off and "pop" a chunk of the ring-land is in my hand. WTF?? i have no clue what could be causing this to happen on just this one cylinder and not all of them... and in the exact same spot none the less. (injector/intake side) so at this point im going to take it to a machine shop and have it looked at for some opinions, but i would also like some educated opinions off H-T as well to see if anyone else has seen this before. I am thinking it has something to do with running lean, but then again it would melt the top of the piston and not break the ring-land.

pictures are below, the new piston is on the rod, the old one is the one thats melted. im running a ls built GSR on 10 pounds of boost as my setup. once again thanks in advance for input.


piston w/ missing land by its side


comparison... exact same spot and problem


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Old Jun 13, 2009 | 12:15 AM
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is the motor tuned?
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Old Jun 13, 2009 | 08:00 AM
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yea. it was dyno tuned on crome pro a few months ago.
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Old Jun 13, 2009 | 06:50 PM
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Old Jun 13, 2009 | 07:05 PM
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Sounds like you put a piston and new rings without removing the ridge at the top of the cylinder. So the new rings were hitting the ridge stressing the piston ring land and breaking it.
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Old Jun 13, 2009 | 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by 97twodoor
Sounds like you put a piston and new rings without removing the ridge at the top of the cylinder. So the new rings were hitting the ridge stressing the piston ring land and breaking it.
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or just bad pistons...
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Old Jun 14, 2009 | 08:15 PM
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im not quite sure what ridge you are talking about. there should be no modifications needed to be made to a picton before ringing it and breaking it in. i re-gapped the rings and inspected the piston before hand
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Old Jun 14, 2009 | 08:31 PM
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Is the cylinder true? If one side of the wall is flattened then that could be rubbing the piston and creating too much heat. If there is a ridge I think you would have seen that during the re-build. Maybe not. Check it. Also are all of the injectors working fine. Leaning out is usually the reason for melt-down. Also is it a reputable tuner?
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Old Jun 14, 2009 | 08:33 PM
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at the top of your cylinder wall there will be a lip from wear of the piston, your rings dont ride all the up the cylinder wall leaving a ring. You need to used a cylinder hone and take that lip off before installing new pistons. it is a very simple process and you can tell where it is because it is generally a darker color.
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Old Jun 14, 2009 | 08:38 PM
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I was always under the impression that if a lower end was going to be redone the crank should be balanced and taken to a machine shop to be tested. That said, at this point you might want to take your block out, maybe the bore isn't perfectly circular anymore.
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