just wanted to see and get some input if anyone has welded front spindle.
doing a suspension mod and i am going to cut them and guna box them in.
thinking about just MIG welding them for now but not to sure how well it would hold whats you opinions?
or just TIG weld?

 

What exactly are you talking about welding, and what are you trying to accomplish?

There is probably a way of getting there without welding anything.

I would not suggest welding the knuckle assembly at all. Sometimes you can do the hub face (like if you need to redrill to a different bolt pattern), but you have to know what you're doing.

 

Cutting things up front will throw things way out of wack i would think.

 

Sure it can be welded, but like stated, be sure to not alter various geometry. Kingpin inclination angle, roll centers, bump steer, dynamic camber and caster variations can all be negatively affected by altering the ball joint and tie rod connecting locations improperly.

Make sure you do your homework...few generally do.

 

Not sure what you are looking to do, but Rob Moore makes a nasty spindle in normal or 'drop' versions.

Making these yourself (if that's what you're trying) would be such a pain it's not funny.

 

It can be welded , ask Tony1

 

It can be done, but there is tons of different ways to do it without welding, but if you do make sure you know what you are doing. good luck

 

It can be welded , ask six sigma racing

 

yes i see thanks, the reason i ask is to modify the suspension geometry some what.
i am doin some testing with it now and will just pick up some extra stock spindles to cut up and have a go at.

i am just doing research on who has welded the front spindles and with what type of welding, also who has actually changed or modified the suspension geometry on the
civic front suspension system.


very interesting pic's will keep that in mind.

yes i agree to but i am not just some noob planing on cutting up stuff and hoping it works
btw what kinda project is goin in that pic..

 

interesting but what are you trying to achive ?

 

i just started from scratch and built my own

 

fbc- looks good! what'd you do as far as suspension calculations?

 

If that is going on a front suspension you will have terrible handling. Your scrub radius number will be our of this world. The steering arms will flex terribly and I would be surprised if your spindle doesn't break. That thing needs to be reinforced with some sheetmetal. Also I would brace the caliper brackets as the will flex.

 

well i have been testing it for over a year now and its fine now im not saying its for the street but it works great for the strip the pics you see are of the suspension all streached out and on jack stands. it was made to go straight and fast with only a total of 3" of total travel the steering is great and doesnt flex and the brakes havent gave me any trouble what so ever. i am building a race car not a tank and yes thier has been months of thought and configure involved.

 

Drag car or road race car?

 

 

Could we see the rest of the car ?

 

its a drag car

 

I'd be interested in seeing if anyone has moved the locations of where the steering ends hook up from behind the spindles (between spindle and firewall) to in front of the spindles and switched to a Pinto steering rack or something similar.

 

has anyone done anything custom for road racing or time attack ?

 

nice gettin some good info. not exactly what i am looking for but all feedback helps.

and fbcfab i was thinking of just making the from scratch but the biggest concern of mine would be machining the hubs for the bearing which i could have done though.

i think im just goin to test out modifying the spindles first.



what would be the reason for this??
honda already have rack and pinion steering...??


that is what i am curious about if welding the spindles will hold up to extreme's without breaking due to welding on top of cast metals.
also if the types of changes they make in there suspension geometry.

 

I am working on some right now, getting the design right for road race is critical. The spindle itself isn't that hard to make. The hardest part is getting the proper suspension geometry under all conditions. My setup is going to use Odyssey wheel bearings and Hubs, because those are the biggest bearing Honda makes. I wouldn't even bother starting with a stock upright. Toss it and build the whole thing from scratch.

The only people I know that move the rack to the front are some of the old BTCC/WTCC guys. Those cars were completely different than what you have seen. The steering shaft went through the bellhousing to a front mounted rack. The engine was located behind the axle centerline, etc . Now if I could get my hands on one of those gearboxes we would be in business.

 

Looks like pretty nice fab in terms of structure, but the steering component is certainly way off. You'd get high rates of dynamic toe changes due to the fact the tie rod end is swinging on an entirely different arc than the upper and lower control arms. Granted it's hard to exactly say how far off the spindle connections are, but they certainly appear to be offline.

Will work for drag but would wreak havoc on a road race car.

 

I think user Jaker is very smart about front gemoetry for road race car....modding spindles etc. maybe pm him as I THINK he has done it.

 

Room behind the wheels so a rwd swap won't interfere with steering (won't have to drop the crossmember).