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Old May 30, 2009 | 08:25 PM
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Well since the last thread I made here I thought i'd challenge myself. One of the paint shops introduced me to this cheap alternative way of painting kandy. I also tried to get the car straighter than before so I thought what the hell. Well anyways the stuff I used are far from what you guys use as far as quality goes. All it really is, is OMNI AU Charcoal base, 1.5 gallons of U-POL clear, and 8oz of kandy koncentrate. Here it goes.

The car after fixing some "waves"


The kandy


The outcome after base




Then we added the kandy in the clear and shot the car REAL light/Dry. Wasn't aiming for the clear look, just more of coverage. Reason being, my teacher told me if I shot the car light with clear/kandy, i'll have less chance of the kandy moving around. Had to sacrifice orange peel for an even pattern of kandy. Walked the whole side.




Here you can see the stuff I used


After 3 coats of kandy I went ahead and got one medium coat of clear itself. Then proceeded to keep putting medium coats of clear 3 more times. Here are the end results







Then I sanded the whole car down with 800 to 1000 to 1500. Then tried system one cutting polish on the fender. Still need to finish the whole car. One thing I notice is it now has less of a kandy effect and got less redder. why even though i didnt sand down to the clear w/ kandy? IDK? anyways here are the pictures. BTW: System1 is the ****









That's all for now folks! Hope you enjoyed
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Old May 30, 2009 | 08:35 PM
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not bad, i kinda like it, i have been debating on paint choice for my car for some time now
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Old May 30, 2009 | 08:42 PM
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not bad, i kinda like it, i have been debating on paint choice for my car for some time now
yea u gatta see it in person when the sunlight hits it.
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Old May 30, 2009 | 08:54 PM
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fender looks good, get to work and finish buffing the rest!
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Old May 30, 2009 | 10:04 PM
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here you go bro.......






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Old May 30, 2009 | 11:12 PM
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looks like it came out beautifully

deelicious
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Old May 31, 2009 | 12:03 AM
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I am extremely surprised. I think those final pictures turned out nice. I couldn't say weather or not I would do it to my car until I saw it in person. But looks crazy.
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Old May 31, 2009 | 10:20 AM
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hell yea bro looks really nice....def thumbs up...you got before and afters?
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Old May 31, 2009 | 10:48 AM
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Damn bro you've got skills.
Thats one of the hottest EG's I've seen.
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Old May 31, 2009 | 11:29 AM
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looks pretty sweet. it may have lost some of its candy effect because of the added additional normal clear you put on sort of diluted it, even though im sure you let the "candyclear' flash for a while when you add the regular clear its still gonna melt together and cure together, so it probably lost some effect during that. but its looks pretty damn good to me, experimental painting is always fun. ive made my own chameleon type paint job before by adding a little black and green pearl flake into my clear, than coming back the next day sanding it down and putting striaght clear on it, it was pretty cool thats definitely a nice hatch man.
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Old May 31, 2009 | 11:36 AM
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Looks great bro but that wasn't a cheap/ghetto way to do it.Hok does make those concentrated candies.And you can mix it to the clear from what I was aware of.Actually a majority of painters Don't really like to do it because it can mottle,streak with suck light colors.However I can see you did a real good job.I see you paint,same here car looks real good keep it up.
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Old May 31, 2009 | 11:38 AM
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looks pretty sweet. it may have lost some of its candy effect because of the added additional normal clear you put on sort of diluted it, even though im sure you let the "candyclear' flash for a while when you add the regular clear its still gonna melt together and cure together, so it probably lost some effect during that. but its looks pretty damn good to me, experimental painting is always fun. ive made my own chameleon type paint job before by adding a little black and green pearl flake into my clear, than coming back the next day sanding it down and putting striaght clear on it, it was pretty cool thats definitely a nice hatch man.
That's not experimenting painting man.This been done so many times.
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Old May 31, 2009 | 12:32 PM
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sick! i like props!
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Old May 31, 2009 | 01:11 PM
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IMPATIENT, that could of happened, but it would of been noticable that the tint was coming off when i wet sanded the car down but the residue was strictly white no red what so ever. Also remember I didn't soak the clear on so its less prone to happen.

blue2000em1, the tint was to intensify HOK kandy so you use less kandy which saves more money but then again since it gives it color, you put on a darker coat of kandy which means you put less coats on to acheive your color, which also means you're more prone to seeing stripes. Custom shops that do motorcycle work like tanks, helmets, etc. then noticed that they can add this tint into clear to get the kandy affect only on small applications though. Doing a whole car is kind of risky because the clear can do some funky stuff like run on you and take the kandy with him lol.

Here's a link to my old thread. https://honda-tech.com/forums/paint-body-84/1st-time-painter-input-appreciate-lots-pictures-2305211/
Here's some pics after i cut and buff it.


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Old May 31, 2009 | 01:52 PM
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great turnout
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Old May 31, 2009 | 02:07 PM
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Man it looks sick!!!
I actually really like it.
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Old May 31, 2009 | 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by nostreble
here you go bro.......
SWEET! is the car in the background going to be candy too?
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Old May 31, 2009 | 04:52 PM
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sweet. i slapped this guy the other day at work because he stated painting your car with HOK is rice. I literally degraded his manhood by slapping him. Nice work man looks sexy.
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Old May 31, 2009 | 05:28 PM
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blue2000em1, the tint was to intensify HOK kandy so you use less kandy which saves more money but then again since it gives it color, you put on a darker coat of kandy which means you put less coats on to acheive your color, which also means you're more prone to seeing stripes. Custom shops that do motorcycle work like tanks, helmets, etc. then noticed that they can add this tint into clear to get the kandy affect only on small applications though. Doing a whole car is kind of risky because the clear can do some funky stuff like run on you and take the kandy with him lol.
The Hok koncentrate is used mostly for "dark colored candies".I've seen multiple people use this for motorcycle parts.I've even seen real good technicans used it to cut in the jambs of the vehicle"applied for dark colored candies". And your wrong with the dark colored candies having more chances of striping.Why is it do you think using a silver base over a candy apple red is so much harder not to stripe or mottle?? Because it's a brighter color.And for your info Alsacorp,and Hok candys even the non Koncentrated ones are Candy Clears.They're such a pain in the *** to use because it takes a real good technican to spray mutliple coats at a 75 percent overlap with out going over the overlap and not running it and starting all over.Yes that's right starting all over.This is Why I love Basf Carizzma line because there candy is a actual basecoat, and not a clear.So you're not phrone to running the candy when spraying it(unless you never painted before.Also you don't have to do a 75% overlap.If no one believes what I'am saying or has no clue check out this link they sell more Hok stuff than you can imagine at Wholesale.

http://www.tcpglobal.com/hokpaint/hokkkandy.aspx

and here's the Data Sheet From Hok themselves saying that you can use the Hok KK in a Gallon of Clear.(however it has to be mixed with a Hok clear).There clears are phrone to hold Film Mils.Keep in mind Urethane clears are mixed differently compared to the Laquer finishes.




Come on man I've dealth with Hok Candies for awhile.It's good to have a friend that's a rep for all the paint store of Fl.And has been doing this for 25years!!!

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Old May 31, 2009 | 05:35 PM
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looks very nice budd good job
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Old May 31, 2009 | 06:41 PM
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wow blue2000em1 you're a tough one. Re-read what i said. KK will add more tint to HOK itself to reduce the amount layers. SG100 is an intercoat, it's not regular urethane clear. you mix SG100 because it sprays just like base coat. It's what shops that do custom work use to protect their work without having to worry from it bleeding through, sagging, rotting, moving, etc. BTW: read the whole tech sheet on their KK, they don't recommend doing a whole car with it. But anyways since you insist on being mr. know it all. lets see CARS you painted using this technique. not test panels, not gas tanks, not helmets, i want to see a WHOLE car. BTW: You shoudl tell your friend to keep you updated because HOK have their own kandy base line.

and straight from the link you posted.....
"KANDY KONCENTRATES (KK Series)
Kandy Koncentrates are used to enhance any of our Kosmic KolorŽ Urethane Enamel. Use factory packaged Kandys for overall refinishing and for maximum longevity."
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Old May 31, 2009 | 07:01 PM
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Damn! it looks sick! that color is awesome. all you west coast guys have the sickest paint, im so jealous. it seems like a paint job like that on the east coast cost double what it does on the west...... i guess i need to fly you out to paint my hatch like that for the west coast price. lol
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Old May 31, 2009 | 07:33 PM
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thanks man. nahh stay in the east coast, too much hate here in the west. lol
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Old May 31, 2009 | 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_MEMBER
wow blue2000em1 you're a tough one. Re-read what i said. KK will add more tint to HOK itself to reduce the amount layers. SG100 is an intercoat, it's not regular urethane clear. you mix SG100 because it sprays just like base coat. It's what shops that do custom work use to protect their work without having to worry from it bleeding through, sagging, rotting, moving, etc. BTW: read the whole tech sheet on their KK, they don't recommend doing a whole car with it. But anyways since you insist on being mr. know it all. lets see CARS you painted using this technique. not test panels, not gas tanks, not helmets, i want to see a WHOLE car. BTW: You shoudl tell your friend to keep you updated because HOK have their own kandy base line.

and straight from the link you posted.....
"KANDY KONCENTRATES (KK Series)
Kandy Koncentrates are used to enhance any of our Kosmic KolorŽ Urethane Enamel. Use factory packaged Kandys for overall refinishing and for maximum longevity."
Lol why are you telling me this??You're aware that Hok is mostly Laquer,Urethane enamel based??And lol to you I been known about there Uk(urethane Klear) series.And for your info it can be done,I've done it.Using the Hok kk mixed with the clear technique,Too.I'll pull some pictures tomorrow just because you want to be a *******.I did one using Shimrin Solar Gold basecoat.And Pagan gold kk.It wasn't that bad at all considering I had a color close to the candy itself.**** looked like a bright pineapple when it left the booth.However I was more upset that I knew it wasn't going to last at all without using the Hok system up.The technique you've done is no different then what they sell through the quarts.Just have to deal with streaks/and Mottling because it's over reduced the candy.But the more coats you put the darker you get and the more the imperfections dissapear.
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Old May 31, 2009 | 07:47 PM
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candy?.....maybe not so much
freakin sweet?.....muuuuuch to much

looks great man! i really like it
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