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Old May 23, 2009 | 01:02 PM
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Im gettin my f22 head milled .030'' which is what iv heard the maximum is. With that mill Just how much of a gain can i expect in compression? Im running stock pistons and rods.
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Old May 23, 2009 | 03:07 PM
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Not sure, but your cam timing will be off. You may need to install an adjustable gear. .030 will retard the cam timing
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Old May 23, 2009 | 06:21 PM
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It will gain you approx 0.5:1 - 8.8 up to 9.3.

0.03 off the head is a lot. I would suggest that you clay the engine after removing that much from the head. Make sure that your piston to valve & your your quench (piston to head) clearances won't be compromised.

I am also removing 0.03 from my head but I'm running a thicker head gasket. The reason that I am removing that much isn't for compression gain, it's for a better quench area.
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Old May 24, 2009 | 06:54 AM
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okay thank you ghost. ANd yes i know about the timing issue, i got me an adjustable timing gear :D. But question- if your arent removing it for a higher CR, what do you mean about a better quench area? Wouldnt the milling of it decrease your head to piston area? I know increased compression is a great way to generate more power and all, but what exactly does a better quench do? Also with the raise in CR as stated above by ghost, will i be able to safely run a stock bottom end? (pistons, rods, etc.)?
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Old May 24, 2009 | 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by bigsnorlax
okay thank you ghost. ANd yes i know about the timing issue, i got me an adjustable timing gear :D. But question- if your arent removing it for a higher CR, what do you mean about a better quench area?
Now my reasoning for the 0.03 has more to do with the squish/quench area of the combustion chamber because I am boring my Darton sleeves to 89mm. The diameter of the combustion chamber on the stock F22B2 head is only 85mm. Look at the image below. It is a pic of my F22B2 head. You can see that on this head there is a 0.027mm deep lip around the combustion chamber. It is only 85mm in diameter. It would cause some turbulence if I left this there. By milling the head and removing that 0.27mm deep ridge. I create a larger squish or quench area for my 89mm pistons.



here is a side by side of a Honda single slug cylinder head. It has been worked for a better quench area.



You can see the ridge around the one on the left. Similar to the F22B2. On the right is a head after milling. The ridge is gone and circled in red you can see the flat quench area that has been created. Match this with the flat top of a custom piston and you will be good to go.

Originally Posted by bigsnorlax
Wouldnt the milling of it decrease your head to piston area?
Yes it will decrease the clearances. That is why I am using a thicker head gasket. Using different thicknesses of head gaskets will allow you to adjust your P2V & P2H clearances.

Originally Posted by bigsnorlax
I know increased compression is a great way to generate more power and all, but what exactly does a better quench do?
Originally Posted by Posted by T.O.O. on June 21, 1998 at 12:05:53:
In Reply to: What is "quench"? What is a "quench area" Why is it good? n/m posted by body on June 21, 1998 at 10:09:42:

Quench, or squish area is typically the flat area on the top of the piston that's almost level with the top of the block deck. It must have a corresponding flat area on the deck surface of the head to qualify as quench.

If you look at a combustion chamber, you will usually see these flat areas, and they will have the volume of the actual combustion chamber between them. When the piston is compressing the mixture, as the piston nears the head, the flat areas on the head and piston come together and force the mixture from those areas to "squish" into the chamber, where the spark plug and burning mixture reside, so you achieve a more complete burn.
The quench area also runs cooler than the rest of the chamber / piston. These lower temperatures are where the "quench" comes from.
When properly designed, the quench areas can have a tremendous effect on the quality of combustion, and allow higher compression ratios, and due to this they are considered "artificial octane" by scientific types.
Bottom line is "properly designed, quench is good".
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Also with the raise in CR as stated above by ghost, will i be able to safely run a stock bottom end? (pistons, rods, etc.)?
Yes.
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Old May 24, 2009 | 03:11 PM
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Wow ghost, that was a very informative post. thank you very much. You're probly one of the few members i really trust on this site ha. but thank you very much for the little lesson and info. And thank god, im so relieved i can run my stock bottom end with my new raised compression, Thank you again ghost.
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