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Old May 14, 2009 | 02:26 PM
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Alright i am stumped, maybe someone can lend some insight.
This is a Sohc Zc btw

-freshly rebuilt head
-MLS HG
-#1 is at TDC on the comp. stroke
-ALL timing marks line up perfect!
-dizzy rotor is pointing at #1
-compression test results are normal

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The motor barely runs, i have to feather the gas to keep it alive and it makes alot of strange vaccuum sounds and sometimes pops through the intake. this leads me to believe its a severe vaccuum leak. If i didnt know better id be sure it is a cam timing issue but ive checked, checked and re-checked it. I have been at it for days and cant find anything too out of the ordinary.
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Old May 14, 2009 | 02:35 PM
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your timming is wrong thats why it back fires how are you lining up your timming marks
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Old May 14, 2009 | 02:53 PM
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Default Re: Strange issue after headgasket replacement

Exactly as described in helmes.

piston #1 is at TDC.

both sets of valves on #1 are closed.

dizzy rotor is aimed at #1.

single mark on crank pulley is lined up.

single, downward facing mark on cam gear is lined up.

Im not sure if it matters but i removed the stock PCV system during this build.
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Old May 14, 2009 | 04:56 PM
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Default Re: Strange issue after headgasket replacement

Originally Posted by garageEF
Exactly as described in helmes.



single, downward facing mark on cam gear is lined up.

I thought all the SOHC's had the 2 marks that line up with the valve cover mating surface?
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Old May 14, 2009 | 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by phatrick2332
I thought all the SOHC's had the 2 marks that line up with the valve cover mating surface?
Those marks are there and line up, but there is also the downward facing one that is more precise.
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Old May 14, 2009 | 05:32 PM
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Default Re: Strange issue after headgasket replacement

this is how tdc is supposed to be set up. and you KNOW when it is cause you can take a coat hanger and put it into the spark plug #1 hole and turn the crank with a 17mm socket/wratchet and you should only have like .5 to1mm of travel distance when it is at TDC


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Old May 14, 2009 | 05:36 PM
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and this picture is pretty self explaining


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Old May 14, 2009 | 05:37 PM
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What position should the valves on Cyl. #1 be in when the piston is at TDC? fully closed correct?
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Old May 14, 2009 | 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by garageEF
What position should the valves on Cyl. #1 be in when the piston is at TDC? fully closed correct?
dosent matter because if im not mistaken, by the time the mark on the cam is facing down, the exhaust valves are opening and when its back at the top, the intakes open. just follow that somewhat shitty diagram i drew(lol ms paint) and you should be good, but check your vaccume lines and anything else that may be of concern
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Old May 14, 2009 | 05:48 PM
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Default Re: Strange issue after headgasket replacement

My issues must lie elsewhere then because my timing is spot on.

i cant even get the car to idle so i can put a timing light on it.

anymore input?
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Old May 14, 2009 | 05:53 PM
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your dizzy at the correct advancement/retard? what about the fitv? iacv? idle air screw? are you for CERTAIN that the fuel pump is working? have a friend spray some gas or starting fluid in the throttle body whaile you try to start the car. if it starts thats your problem. if you know all your vaccume lines are correct and timings on, make sure your dizzy has spark and then check over all of the other things i mentioned....
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Old May 14, 2009 | 05:57 PM
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Fuel pump primes, everything works as normal. i get a CEL for IACV but only when i feather the throttle and make the car run for more than 10 seconds, but im assuming thats because i have not yet bled the cooling system(how can i when the car wont idle) since i havent had trouble with it before.
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Old May 14, 2009 | 07:02 PM
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Default Re: Strange issue after headgasket replacement

Just a thought... set cyl #1 to TDC and pull the distributor cap, where is the rotor pointing?
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Old May 15, 2009 | 11:10 AM
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Default Re: Strange issue after headgasket replacement

Originally Posted by seanbev24
Just a thought... set cyl #1 to TDC and pull the distributor cap, where is the rotor pointing?

Bottom left if im facing the dizzy... #1 if im not mistaken.
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Old May 15, 2009 | 03:19 PM
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Default Re: Strange issue after headgasket replacement

Compression test results- 185 180 165 185

are these good enough to rule out a HG sealing issue?

or is a leakdown test required?
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Old May 15, 2009 | 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by phatrick2332
I thought all the SOHC's had the 2 marks that line up with the valve cover mating surface?

x2. its been years since iv had a single cam so could be wrong
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Old May 19, 2009 | 04:09 PM
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Default Re: Strange issue after headgasket replacement

Someone suggested that it may be bad gas since the car sat with the fuel line detached( my fuel tank vent is also open to the atmosphere).

Does anyone have any insight on bad fuel symptoms?
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Old May 19, 2009 | 04:13 PM
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Default Re: Strange issue after headgasket replacement

Why was the headgasket replaced? Was it overheated?

Bent valve?

If you double and triple checked timing and have spark and fuel then it has to be a compression problem. Do a leakdown test.
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Old May 19, 2009 | 04:16 PM
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Default Re: Strange issue after headgasket replacement

Originally Posted by garageEF
Bottom left if im facing the dizzy... #1 if im not mistaken.
bottom left would be number two your firing order is wrong
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Old May 19, 2009 | 04:40 PM
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Default Re: Strange issue after headgasket replacement

Originally Posted by iwanttokillgod
bottom left would be number two your firing order is wrong

This is my firing order.
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Old May 19, 2009 | 04:44 PM
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Default Re: Strange issue after headgasket replacement

Originally Posted by spoonfedcrx
Why was the headgasket replaced? Was it overheated?

Bent valve?

If you double and triple checked timing and have spark and fuel then it has to be a compression problem. Do a leakdown test.
Valves are all new. the head is completely re-built.

The motor was *slightly* overheated(between middle and red), but i checked for warpage with a straight edge and it was perfect.

If my problem was a warped block, wouldnt the compression numbers suffer?
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