ok so it's looking like im pulling the engine out of my 2001 gsr. going to put it on a stand and rebuild over time, but i need to be able to get around while the engine is being rebuilt so my question is what is the cheapest engine that i can pick up that i can easily swap into my DC2? preferably that will also work with my transmission. doesn't have to have power but after it is all said and done the replacement engine might go under the knife and get built.

 

I would use a GSR engine (B18C1) but it might be cheaper to get an LS engine (B18B1)...but really anything with high miles would be cheap for a swap...and if you are going to do a build on it later, this would work out perfectly for you...you wouldn't have to worry about the high miles because it would only be for a short period of time AND with high miles it will be a lot cheaper...THEN...you can do a motor rebuild/build on it and there ya go, good as new...that's what I would do...or you could just build the one you are taking out...either way would work.

 

Yea im not 100% decided on the route im going to go with my b18c1, i think for now it's just going to be fix it then maybe later think about an all motor build, but if i pick up lets say a b18b just for while im fixing the b18c1 once im done i plan on building it for boost and pickin up a civic or something to dump into. that way i can tear the gsr apart if need be again and not be worried about not having a car.

 

O and also if i picked up a b18b1 would i need to get the ecu for it or would mine work?

 

Well I do know that GSR ECU's have some programming for VTEC...so yeah you might have to...which is why it would be best for you to just get another GSR engine...but with high miles (so that it's not expensive)...the GSR ECU would maybe work but it probably wouldn't run right simply do to it being set up for VTEC ya know...also, GSR engines are set to have a 7800 RPM redline and a 8200RPM Rev-Limiter as oppose to the 6800 redline and 7200 Rev-Limiter with the LS motor...so it looks like you would run into some problems trying to use the GSR ECU with an LS motor...however, if you don't mind spending the extra $100-$200 for another ECU...just go with the GSR engine lol...it would be best...that's what I would do.

 

Why don't you buy a gsr block and build it? Leave your current motor in the car until you're ready to swap. Then you can take as long as you want.

 

what exactly is wrong with yours? normally it's just piston rings, a valve job, exhaust valves and valve seals that need to be replaced.

BUT if it were me doing it and i didn't want to get in the motor or take the time i would:

A: buy a JDM GSR
B: sell yours as is to pay for half of it

since you live like half an hour from me; you also could get to know the guys over at forged performance & see what they say on the rebuild.

 

the problem with the engine is unkown, the reason why im not just building a block is because i need to swap probably soon to avoid any major issues with the engine. my mechanic buddy thinks it's either piston rings or the cylinder walls are scratched up. But i plan on doing the rebuild primarely on my own so the engine will probably be pulled for a while since im going to be learning as i go. but ok from the sounds of it i should start saving and searching for another b18c1.

 

Yeah...I would definately get another B18C1...too bad you live so far away...I have a friend that has several engines all for about $1000 each and charges 500 for a swap so for $1500 you could have a GSR swap in a day or 2...and then you could proceed to continue on with your original plans...I, personally, in your situation, would find a cheap, (most likely high-mileage), B18C1, swap it into my car, then rebuild/build my other motor with the assistance of somebody experienced.

 

i know i should probably have a sh*t ton of help, but will i be good if i don't do anything that i obviously shouldn't do? I know that if i run into a problem my buddy will be down in a heartbeat to walk me through stuff here and there for free but if i want him the full time im gonna have to fork over some cash which i won't have.

 

i can do a swap in one day if you just need a motor transplant. also, i wouldn't buy another b18c1, they are all high mile and the craigslist guys want almost as much for one as a jdm sir-g {gsr} engine. just get the b18c and do a direct swap.

either call hmotorsonline or buy this

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Integ...ht_5652wt_1307

jdm planet in canada also has em for 1750 shipped. sell your engine as it sits for $750 and be ready to roll with little downtime.

most the jdm engines have between 50 and 110km which is roughly 32 to 70k miles. my itr had 47,000 miles when it was pulled from the car. a lot of these motors have been on the shelf for at least 5 years. when you figure a 97 engine that received 10,000km/yr in japan was then pulled in 2002-2005 you wind up with the 50-80km mile engine for an average.

 

Did you mean to say just get the B18B1? Because if not, you contradicted yourself...and I don't think he wants to have to buy the LS ECU for it if that's what you're suggesting he does....also, the B18C integra block has been extensively modified to take the stress of racing...it has a higher rev, VTEC, it's an overall better engine...

 

please explain how i contradicted myself.

i have suggested from the go a b18c as in sir-g engine

 

You said "i wouldn't buy another b18c1" then you said just buy the B18C...or were you implying that rather than having two engines, just sell the other and have one?...but either way, his current engine needs to be fixed so he would need to look into what's wrong with it before selling it...nobody would want a damaged motor...or at least, he wouldn't get much for it...and this JDM GSR engine off e-bay seems to be the same as a regular GSR engine...what's different about it?...still has the same redline and rev limiter...it's obviously not a type-r motor...so what's better about it?...just wondering why you said not to get another B18C1 then posted a link suggesting, basically, the exact same motor...

 

I understand...I just wouldn't want you to have to redo something or mess something up (not saying that you will or anything, simply stating the possibility)...but rather get it done right once and be done with it...and still be able to learn by just having him watch over or something...

 

d16?

 

Thats what will probably end up happening just out of fear on my end since my only previous engine experience has been changing my valve cover gasket lol

 

would a d16 bolt in no issue with my motor mounts?

 

you don't really understand this, so, i'll clarify

another b18c1 is a usdm engine. almost every usdm engine sold locally around here is a high mile swap pull. sure if a 80k mile car gets hit and you can grab it, great, it's just unlikely. the b18c sir-g engine is the exact engine he has only with slightly more compression. it will be a direct drop and can be done quick. as to why he would want a low mile running engine over what he has? seriously? do i have to answer that? also, blown gsr engines will fetch 750 or so since local kids love tearing them down to rebuild. if he had time it would probably be something the op would consider as well. he wants quick and running. the jdm b18c gives him 10 more hp than stock and is a direct transplant with a total cost of roughly $1000 and a day or twos work.

 

My suggestions were in regards to his plans to possibly build the transplant motor, as he previously stated (if you refer to the original post)...I suggested getting another B18C1 due to the fact that he already has the tranny and ECU for it (considering that's the engine he has now)...and also a whole other B18C1 so if needed, he could use parts from either to solve his problem...what you were suggesting was for a permanent fix...by just getting another engine and selling the old one...but if he wants an extra one around to build up, your plan doesn't support that...and 10 more HP is nothing and I highly doubt the compression difference is significant...but any way you cut it, either of our suggestions would work...mine was more direct to answering/suggesting something in regards to what he requested...

 

doubtful.

 

if a build was in the plans, his old b18c1 would work great as a platform. i mean, any of the d series or a b18b1 would be a screwed up idea imo. using the jdm engine he's going down the road quick and if a build did take place he could yank it and sell it for nearly what he paid for it. jdm engines sell fast to HS kids around here.

 

That would work...I just figured another B18C1 would go for around the same price...and my solution would be a slightly cheaper one...all depends on what he's looking to spend/ future plans motor-wise...

 

they do but barely. you're looking at $1400-1500 for a 120k mile motor {an average since most are just pulls wrecked cars} that's been through god knows what versus $1750 for a jdm engine that almost certainly has FAR lower miles and also the bonus of the domed pistons that give it 10:6-1 compression compared to the 10:1 of the US b81c1

plus, if no build ever happens the OP has the benefit of a solid engine to run for awhile.

 

why dont you just by a high compression jdm b20b? they have a very good potential with the head you have to put near 200 whp with bolt-ons when combined(crvtec)!
plus that would avoid all the trouble of building your gsr bottom end or atleast rushing through it,Iam actually very sure youll even stick with your b20vtec once youve had that tq. its also rather cheap(500 for the motor and about 300 for the conversion) and youll still be using the gsr head so all the plugs and ecu will work too!