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Old May 10, 2009 | 12:17 PM
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When I'm was coming to a stop my car felt like it wanted to stall then it did. I turn the car back on thinkin it was my timing belt. then i turned it back on and the engine ran 100%. So I pop the hood and I see my tranny gushin oil from the very bottom of the case straight under the axle. Reverse is good but any other gear is like it just hops almost like the tranny refuses to let the car go foward. I don't beat on my car atall. Any ideas.
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Old May 10, 2009 | 08:35 PM
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holy hell not even 1 response
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Old May 10, 2009 | 08:41 PM
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Where is fluid leaking from the transmission? A hole in the bottom of the transmission or from a seal where an axle inserts into the differential?
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Old May 10, 2009 | 09:04 PM
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honestly i havent got underneath the car yet (def will manana) but it was near the axle but it wasnt coming from the axle at all. i just cant understand how or why it happend. i dont "race" at all in this car. cant even remember the last time i hit vtec. reverse is perfect. but when i put the car in 1st it just squeaks loud and produces wierd uncoomon noise so i dont force it.
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Old May 11, 2009 | 05:07 AM
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Old May 11, 2009 | 05:10 AM
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The course of action should be to locate the source of the fluid leak, to fix it (e.g., replace axle seal in differential), to refill the transmission with fluid, and then to test whether the shift problem has gone away.
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Old May 11, 2009 | 06:03 AM
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The course of action should be to locate the source of the fluid leak, to fix it (e.g., replace axle seal in differential), to refill the transmission with fluid, and then to test whether the shift problem has gone away.
cant disagree, but by describing the symptoms perhaps someone recognizes the situation and therefore can offer better insight on exactly what caused this to happen
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Old May 11, 2009 | 06:10 AM
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cant disagree, but by describing the symptoms perhaps someone recognizes the situation and therefore can offer better insight on exactly what caused this to happen
Have you checked the tranny fluid level? My point is that, if the tranny does not have any fluid left in it or is very low, then you are going to have shifting problems. To sort things out, you first need to stop the leak and refill the tranny. This may or may not fix the problem. Then go from there.
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Old May 11, 2009 | 06:32 AM
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Have you checked the tranny fluid level? My point is that, if the tranny does not have any fluid left in it or is very low, then you are going to have shifting problems. To sort things out, you first need to stop the leak and refill the tranny. This may or may not fix the problem. Then go from there.
the transmission leaked all the oil out. i understand that i have to do all these things. my question is what may have caused this to happen in a 100% stock, never opened or frequently beat on tranny?
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Old May 11, 2009 | 06:36 AM
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the transmission leaked all the oil out. i understand that i have to do all these things. my question is what may have caused this to happen in a 100% stock, never opened or frequently beat on tranny?
The answer to this question depends on you locating the source of the leak. If fluid is leaking from transmission where the axle inserts into the differential, then almost surely a seal has blown, possibly caused by a bad axle CV joint or a bad axle installation.
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Old May 11, 2009 | 06:54 AM
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The answer to this question depends on you locating the source of the leak. If fluid is leaking from transmission where the axle inserts into the differential, then almost surely a seal has blown, possibly caused by a bad axle CV joint or a bad axle installation.
thanx for the advice ill post up what i come up with and maybe pics later today
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Old May 12, 2009 | 01:22 PM
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horrible quality i know. just bare with me its a olympus fe-210

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Old May 12, 2009 | 01:24 PM
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you kind of see the crack along the bolt and a lil behind it also. this is where the mtf gush out from, not sure if that would cause the tranny to struggle moving foward. im hoping a simple welding and refill will fix this but you guyz lmk
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Old May 12, 2009 | 02:03 PM
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Does your camera have a macro setting? It'll be best for the close up shots.
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Old May 12, 2009 | 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by seadonkeyraypiss
Does your camera have a macro setting? It'll be best for the close up shots.
I agree. It's difficult to see the crack. Did you hit a big rock or something? You may need to replace the transmission.
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Old May 12, 2009 | 02:37 PM
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honeslty i dont even know if this camera has that. its several years old and it was probably cheap anyway. but about getting a new tranny, i hope not lol. it doesnt look severe to be honest it looks like it can be welded up in a matter of minutes. my concern is towing it somewhere, get it welded then find out that the tranny is no good. could a tranny act like that when right its loses oil?
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Old May 12, 2009 | 02:39 PM
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also if you look at the other bolt in front of it and compare it to where the cracked one is you can sort of see the outline of the crack
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Old May 12, 2009 | 03:26 PM
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...but about getting a new tranny, i hope not lol. it doesnt look severe to be honest it looks like it can be welded up in a matter of minutes. my concern is towing it somewhere, get it welded then find out that the tranny is no good. could a tranny act like that when right its loses oil?
I think that the tranny will need to be removed and partially disassembled to determine whether welding is even feasible. In the end, it may be easier and cheaper just to find a replacement and install it. Best of luck.
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Old May 12, 2009 | 04:48 PM
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I think that the tranny will need to be removed and partially disassembled to determine whether welding is even feasible. In the end, it may be easier and cheaper just to find a replacement and install it. Best of luck.
+1. The tranny will need to be removed to see if welding can fix the crack. welding takes a little more work than you think. if welding is possible, they will need to lay a bead on the inner and outer walls of the casing to fix it properly.
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Old May 12, 2009 | 04:56 PM
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i hear yll on that. but it seems no one can answer my original question of why the tranny seems to not want to cooperate with me.
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Old May 12, 2009 | 04:59 PM
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there might be a chunk of metal floating around in there. If you end up needing a casing let me know.
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Old May 12, 2009 | 06:17 PM
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I think you're going to have to open it up before anyone can diagnose it... just from here, I'm thinking it's not cooperating with you because there's a crack in it and the fluid leaked out. It's not going to want to shift properly then. If MTF is gushing out ANYWHERE, it's not going to want to move.

I'm guessing there really is a crack in the bellhousing then? I can't really see in the picture, but if it's leaking there, then that would be your first cause. Can't tell anything else without opening. Could have happened by a rock kicked up or something.

Another suggestion:
Are you 100% sure it's mtf? I don't know how possible this is, but if it's leaking from the seam where the engine and transmission meet, it could possibly be your flywheel seal. Maybe blowing motor oil into that area, which could get on the clutch and cause it to... well.. maybe I'm grasping at straws here.

If there's no internal damage, and your entire problem is just cause by the crack, I believe that you can swap a bellhousing with any other hydro B series transmission.
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Old May 12, 2009 | 06:43 PM
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100000% its not the engine thats spitting oil. no pun intended but im not a noob. its a crack on the housing itself.
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Old May 12, 2009 | 06:50 PM
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grab the pass axles and see if it moves more than say 1/8" or so...

I'm thinking the diff broke, the reason why it barely rolls forward in gear?
Maybe you lost teeth of the ring gear also?
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Old May 12, 2009 | 07:12 PM
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an accurate diagnosis cant be found untill the tranny is pulled. hope everything works out!
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