Pretty much, yea. I'm looking at putting a cage in my type r, and I would like to keep the backseats intact. Also would like to go with a bolt-in cage. Now I've seen a few examples that are pretty sweet and I've looked on the web and found a few. As far as eBay cages go... Yey or nay?

Any ideas on a cage would also help feel free to chime in. My itr has it's own thread if you'd like to see it #544

Thanks H-T!!!

 

A 6pt cage is downright retarded to put in a daily driven vehicle. Cages are designed to be used inconjunction to bucket seats, harnesses, helmet, etc. It is more dangerous to have a 6pt cage without the appropriate equipment than not having one at all.

A cage with back seats? Dude you are trying too hard.

Your head would be about 3-4" from that steel bar that can go through your skull.

Click this link to see a gruesome picture of what can happen: http://www.trauma.org/images/image_l...-01-22_048.jpg

You may need something like a roll bar to begin with, but why in the hell would you leave the back seats?

 

owned. lol

 

I guess your gonna ride with your helmet on the streets huh, at least that's my conclusion from that pic. lol

 

I kept my backseats with a full 10pt in my R and it was welded in. the class I raced in needed full interior including backseats and carpet. . You do NOT need bucket seats nor is a cage designed completely around it. You need a harness and roll cage padding that is SFI approved. I daily drove my car for years with a full cage so again dont knock the dude cause he wants to keep his interior intact

 

Nothing wrong with keeping the interior mostly intact, but you are wrong on some counts.

First, OEM seats are designed to break backwards in severe rollovers, this would slam you into the bar/cage. Second, harnesses with stock seats (unless you cut holes in the seats for shoulder and anti-sub belts) is a dangerous setup in a severe collision.

If you are using a bar/cage, you should be using harnesses, and if you are using harnesses you should be using a proper seat.

And I agree that using a Cage on the street is retarded, I used to do it, and I fully admit how completely stupid I was.

 

if it was as dangerous as you guys make it sound the NHRA and other bodies would have made aftermarket seats required for caged cars(remember NHRA requires a full 10pt when trapping over 135mph with a lic. and window net)

 

Thats the thing....The cages between NHRA and NASA are different; It most cases the NHRA cage wouldn't even pass by NASA rules.

 

While the back seats can be kept intact, as said I would never have anyone back there.

 

Road racing cages and drag racing cages are drastically different. I have no idea what the OP wants, nor do you, but it's fairly safe to assume that he's not driving a fast drag car.

Personally I think the NHRA requirements are a joke, but that's just me.

The facts are the facts, and just because NHRA doesn't care doesn't change those facts, sorry.

 

And even some of NASA's requirements are weak IMO.

I have a feeling (based on the OPs post) that this cage is really just a monkey barz setup in terms of what he wants, or like a Cusco cage.. all show... whatever floats his boat though.

 

Would you have backseats in your car if the rules and regulations didnt require? Did you have rear passengers with the 10pt cage? Would you rather have a full cage in your daily driver with metal bars a couple inches from your head?

 

Some people keep the rear interior to keep the noise in the cabin down a little. Doesn't matter for a pure track car, but since some people run cages on the street I guess it works for them.

 

because the NHRA isnt as worried about side impacts. believe me I was snug as a bug in a rug in my cage if anything were to happen

 

rode in the back on the way home from the track one time and we wore my helmet the whole way home, not to mention I put padding on the entire cage not just the required parts.

Yes I would have kept full interior, the car had air conditioning still, it was a STREET car and I wanted to keep it that way.

I drove the car for 3 years with a cage from May to October almost everyday. If you have someone build the cage the right way the piping wont even be close to you. the door bars were the only thing I could really touch while I was strapped in the harness. (I had harness's for the passenger and driver seats because it was a driver). After I sold it DontBlink daily drove the car.

 

You do realize that harnesses stretch and that bodies move quite a bit in a collision right? Just because you can't hit the cage when sitting there harnessed in does not mean you won't hit the cage in a collision.

 

ok, wheres the pics of D's cage-thru-itr rear seat ?

 

yes but my harness couldnt really move cause of the way the harness bar was set up. and when I strapped in it strapped in tight. I agree you will move but I never saw a danger issue or I wouldnt have done it

 

*HARNESSES STRETCH* by design, it doesn't matter how they are connected to the harness bar, the webbing itself stretches to reduce the risk of internal injuries during a collision.

 

I have a copy at home, but not here

D's cage install is the best lol

 

If you mount it right you dont have to worry about internal injury anymore than a standard seatbealt.

crotch strap mounted under the seat right under your butt. mount the lap belts so they come across your hips/tops of your legs and mount the bolt holts behind you on each side. chest straps are pretty much idiot proof

 

Autopower roll bar. they kick ***

 

i have sam's car now and trust me, the cage in it is perfect. the a-pillar bars go through the vents on top of the dash and down to floor, just as they should. if you wanna talk about unsafe cages it's the guys with the cusco cages that follow the contour of the dash you're after.

 

I dont think anybody is questioning the integrity of the cage. We are certain its "top notch" but the use of a roll cage for the street is excessive and dangerous, and dangerous has been proven.

If you can make an "advantage and disadvantage" list to why cages are suggested on the street, I can tell you the disadvantage list WILL outweigh the other side easily, well of course if all answered honestly.

 

eh i just realized i came off rather defensive, i wasn't trying to be my point was more to say that cusco cages are the most dangerous if the car does anything but sit in front of cameras. i agree with you cages are dangerous for street cars in most cases, but then again im sure there's been cases where a cage saved someone's life on the street. It's like gambling, who knows if you'll win or lose.