What are your impressions of it? Performance, sound, etc..?

Is the twinloop really all that quiet?

Oh yeah, tried a search, didn't help that much.

 

id get it... and yeah its pretty quiet.

 

Best bet is to try and find one to listen to. At idle you can't hear my car running the engine makes more noise than the exh. And mine is broken in so it has gotten louder. Louder I mean when you drive it hard I can't quite explain it but it's the sweetest sounding exh I've heard and I've heard alot especially on Integras. One thing yep you guessed it Pricey. Still have to say one of the best investments I've made in this bottomless pit I call my car.

 

Mine is not quiet. I should really make a sound clip of my exhaust setup.

It's not quiet like stock but not loud like Spoon N1. It is a very nice deep sound with no hint of raspiness (bees in a can sound)....that alone is worth it. I can't stand rattling sounding exhausts and most of that is due to poor quality of construction and fitment.

Mugen quality

 

LOL, you must be kidding...I thought the Type R forum averaged 2-3 "which catback" threads per week.

Yes, it really is quiet. If you don't plan on FI, then yes, it really is worth it.

 

I believe Megatron(Dave) and Hooptie have the Mugen catbacks. They are sweet but IMO I don't think they're worth the money.. You can definitely get a better performing exhaust for a lot less. Is it me or does the Mugen catback sound basically the same as the stock ITR exhaust?? Ask Dave and Hooptie for their thoughts..

 

Take my word for it and others on hear that have it or heard it. In VTEC you know its there but the rest of the time it would be hard to tell. It's sound blends in so nice with the ICE-Box Int it becomes just one glorious sound. Stepping out now want to take her out for a spin just to enjoy. LATER

 

Actually I have a small video clip of me autocrossing but it was windy that day. If someone can host it, I'll email it to them or something.

 

Damn you guys responded quick.. lol.. Can anyone submit a sound clip for us? I heard the Spoon (axle back I think) on an R and it sounded very nice. Not really lound IMO like most people say..

 

Everyone says "get it" but is it worth the $975.00? Or do people buy it for the name? Seriously, lets talk HP to dollar ratio shall we.

 

wussup hooptie157 here, yeah I've got twin loop and I love it. Its mated to a carsound cat and Mugen header. The tone is definatly not stock. It much deeper but mellow. I get nothing but complements on the tone. If you down shift and let her wind down the sound is just plain gorgous (picture a low deep tone, like the car has a bigger engine BUT the tone never cracks, its deep and steady). On the highway its damn quiet NOT silent as one would think but the sound is not obtusive, you kinda crave for more. When on the gas at higher RPM's its ALMOST silent but when you let off you get a great sound from about 5k down too about 3k (that when its loudest). Gun it and at 8500rpm you hear nothing but engine (no real noticable exhaust tone). I love the exhaust, I just can't take the noise of a straight though exhaust anymore after have one on my prior car. This exhaust even get praised by the V8 crowd, they are always like "damn that sounds good, nice a rice car like those others." I give mugen

 

Ok so I have it on my car mated to the stock header with the Mugen intake. Its about as quiet as stock at idle, but on it it is a much deeper tone. Like Hooptie said Nothingbut compliments. I even got a from a guy who said all 4 cyls sound like a bunch of bees in a can. Is it worth the money? In the long run probably not becasue it wont flow as well as an N1 or something along those lines. But it is quiet, it does look stock and the cops wont bug you about it. Quality is above and beyond anything else you will find out there. Laser engraving and the JASMA badge right on it. Excellent piece for a lightly moded car.

 

For a sound clip of my car, go here:

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=255177

 

It's the best sounding exhaust I've ever heard.

And it's not as quiet as you think - mine's actually really loud! (Spec B's, testpipe and high comp). On a stock motor - it's pretty mellow sounding.

 

Here are some soundclips of mine. I have also have Mugen header and stock airbox. One reason why I keep the stock intake is that the sound of the intake doesnt drown out the beautiful sound of the exhaust! As far $, its not cheap, and Im sure you can get bigger hp gains by spending the dough on something else...but everytime I crank my car in the morning, blip the throttle, and hear that "bark"...its worth it. Only you can decide if its worth the $ to you.

Ive posted these before, but here they are again, the first is from behind the car with it taking off away from the mic, the other 3 are the car passing the mic at various points (you should be able to tell when you hear the exh rather than the engine) and last from inside.

http://home.attbi.com/~itr193/mugen_exhaust1.wav
http://home.attbi.com/~itr193/mugen_exhaust2.wav
http://home.attbi.com/~itr193/mugen_exhaust3.wav
http://home.attbi.com/~itr193/mugen_exhaust4.wav
http://home.attbi.com/~itr193/mugen_insidecar.wav

 

You can sort of hear the exhaust in this clip...but lots of wind noise at 120 mph This is from an event at Thunderhill in early July. Passed some sort of turblowed Lotus on the front straight, but went into the braking zone off line because of the late pass. Did a little drift action in the dirt outside turn 1 and then corrected and got back on track. Suprisingly I didn't lose all that much time (the Lotus didn't pass me).

Right click save as. 3.12 MB

 

We need him to hear a nice 2nd gear wind down for him to fully appreciate the exhaust. WOT sounds don't fully justify the exhaust IMOP

 

Thats right forgot to mention it the sound winding down from hi revs is better than then when your on it actually its louder then. But as you can tell its almost a bike type of sound. Weird when your on it and reaching redline you keep expecting it to get louder or raspier but it never does. Maybe we should get Steve to put one on his experimental and have him run to 10+K and take a vid so we can hear it

 

Well... after reading your posts, and hearing the sound clips... I think the $9xx something for this exhaust is well worth it. It sounds amazing... No farting, no crackling... I love it!

I mean.... I was going to get a Type One B -pipe ($375), and a spoon N1 Muffler ($450).. that's $825 or so. WTF... why not spend another $100 or so dollars and get a kick *** system? The Mugen twinloop is awesome.

 

A couple of pointers Skafia...
1.) Never ever use videoclips to decide if you like the sound of an exhaust or not. I made this mistake and got an exhaust that was louder than I ever imagined. I ended up selling it and took a loss. I replaced it with a Mugen and I'm very happy with it. Sometimes, I downshift just for the sake of hearing the Mugen growl.

2.) While it's true that the Mugen exhaust is only $100 cheaper than a Type1 b-pipe+Spoon N1 combo, you also have to weigh in what performance gains you'll get with both systems. My car responded nicely to the Type1 catback but it was too damn loud for me. I haven't gotten an accurate dyno displaying the power gains of the Mugen exhaust compared to stock. SMSP and I are trying to get together to try and compare on the dyno the stock exhaust to both the SMSP and Mugen.

Ultimately, it's what you're looking for in a exhaust that will decide if it's worth it or not. You can't deny that the Type1+Spoon N1 combo has more potential of providing a performance gain over the Mugen since the piping is bigger. The question is, will you still enjoy driving the car with the sound of the exhaust ringing in your ears. I hated driving my R for a while because I couldn't stand the noise so I made the switch. The Mugen was definitely worth it for me.

EDIT - You might also want to check out the SMSP. It seems to be a good compromise between performance and sound. I've heard it during a dyno session and it didn't sound loud at all. The weird thing is, the Type1 didn't sound that loud to me either when hearing it from outside the car. You're best bet is to try and find someone in your area that has the setup you have (shouldn't be hard for you being in Cali) and have them give you a ride in their car.


[Modified by CPR, 9:39 PM 8/15/2002]

 

CPR---the only time I can go for a ride in other people's DC2R setups are at So Cal ITR meets.... other than that it's stock b pipe + universal muffler farting all around town. (well... at least where I live).

You've got a great point there, when you're talking about performance gains that other exhaust systems have over the MUGEN one, how much are we talking about, only a couple of HP/FT-LB of torque right? I mean... if its mineut, the sheer quietness (so everyone says) of the MUGEN is worth it.

The damn R is loud enough @ 8400 RPM already.... I would rather have a quiet(er) car. BTW---what is the B-pipe size of the MUGEN compared to the Type One? what about the inlet for the Muffler (spoon n1 vs mugen twinloop).

What about silencers (Spoon N1)... how much sound/power is killed when using a silencer?

thanks a lot for your reply CPR


[Modified by skafia, 8:13 PM 8/15/2002]

 

It has been said before, we need every bit of whp/wtq on our cars since they are so light. In my opinion, the mugen would not be worth it. I track my car and what not, and i can't justify spending that kinda money for not as much gain. Yes, my Type One exhaust was about 7XX, but that's still cheaper than 1k and I do gain more power. The type one exhaust is for sure louder than the mugen and the tone may not be as good, but I was looking for sheer power/$$$. Corked up, the exhaust will net you about.. nothing. It's like you're running stock exhaust but you get a louder car. That's alright with me, you shouldn't be racing on the streets anyway.

To each his own, i was looking for most HP to $$ ratio, and i think the Type One accomplished that. The Buddy Club Spec 3 would be another choice exhaust..

 

Man, where's the "great exhaust" test?

 

So anybody know the b-pipe size of the mugen cat back exhaust?

 

Yes, we do need every bit of whp/wtq on our cars. However, you can't just assume that bigger piping is going to mean more power. It will probably give you more peak power, but unless your car runs at a constant 8,000 RPMs, this isn't really telling the whole story. It's the area under the curve that's most important.

I haven't personally seen any dyno charts comparing exhausts, but I do remember EPGONZALEZ commenting about his car. He has 208 whp with stock cams...when dynoing the Mugen catback vs. 2.5" catback, the car gained 2-3 peak whp with the 2.5" setup, but <u>lost</u> power in the midrange. If the 2.5" setup only gains 2-3 peak whp on a 208 whp car, it isn't going to do much at all for a car with basic bolt-ons and 175-180 whp...