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Hi guys,

Need advice or help if anyone can offer any sugestions or have experience with this set-up. I installed the older Spoon N1 dampers on my EG and now the rear is tucking tire. Suspension came from an ITR and i was running ITR-spec Tein HA's prior to this without any problems in terms of height adjustment.

Is this normal for this setup? i have no to very slight preload on the rear springs. The suspension arms were preloaded before the bolts were tightened however.

Rates are 16k front and 14k rear. skunk2 rear camber kit is maxed for negative camber just to clear the fender.

I understand that the damper is short stroke and it shows when i jack up the car from the rear: the tire does not move at all (does not extend). Ride is great, but i'm worried that i'll get in trouble from my local police for this height. I prefer a 1-2 finger gap so this is low for me...any ideas guys? Thank you!

 

nice setup u have there

I have same dampers with same spring, I even have same wheels in my garage :D

anyway, spoons are really low but your setup seems lower than mine. On this picture I have 215/45/16 tires with JDM oem wheels and I still can go about 1cm [ 0,4"] higher on the rear, but this height is perfect for me. Yours are on EG, perhaps that makes the difference? Are you sure you have them all the way up?

 

thank you for the quick reply!

it's not quite at the very top of the thread, but to my understanding, i would only be increasing the spring preload more if i crank it up the perch, and not actual height right?

my tires are 205/45/16 with a 42 offset...camber had to be maxed in order to clear the arch by 1mm :S

 

spring preload? How do you think that height is adjusted? You roll those things up
Put them all the way up and than take a picture

 

lol!

i was under the impression that the shock was already maxed in terms of length therefore cranking it up the perch would only increase the spring preload

i have it set up that there is barely any tension on the spring when it is in the air

 

Now I think I know what you ment. But in my case rear can go all the way up without compressing spring, so preload is not affected. I hope we understand eachother. If I put my car in the air spring still has some minimal movement place (I can move it up and down with my hand). Is in your case stuck allready?

 

can you please measure distance from floor to top of the wheel arches (i hope this is the right term). Spoon recomends that distance to be 590mm for EG civic (and for dc2). I know I can put higher than that but yours looks like its lower than that...

 

yah i think we're on the same page

i'll have to measure it out, but when i did raise the car up with the wheel on, the gap didn't really change (ie: there's nearly no sag!)

that's great info, i didn't realize there was recommended height settings!

 

Most high end coilovers are dual adjust meaning you can adjust the pre load and height independently. I tried looking for pics of the suspension you have and im not certain if yours are the dual adjust....i would bet that they are though.

if you look towards the bottom of the shock there is a silver adjusting cog...(the very lowest one). I can't tell for sure from the pic but im willing to bet that if you loosen this and turn the shock body it will change the height without putting pre load on the spring. I find it hard to believe that this coilover does not have this feature.....best bet would be to contact the person you purchased them from.

If in fact it does not have the dual adjust, you will have to put on preload the spring

 

Here is picture of my second set and as far as I can tell there is no such thing. But on that model you are showing (for s2000 I think) there could be

 

There is such a thing...... but those are not dual adjust. You will have to run some pre load on the springs. Refer to this thread to understand how pre load works if you need to, theres some good info there.....started it myself

https://honda-tech.com/forums/suspension-brakes-54/how-does-coilover-spring-preload-adjusting-wk-2530002/

 

Yup, i have the same set as n1ghthawk has pictured:


so i tried to raise the rear up more last night but in the end, all i did was preload the spring even more. near maximum height of the collar, my car is still tucking rubber.

the only thing i can think of now is to find a spacer that will push the entire shock body down in order to increase vehicle height (spacer between the top hat and the body of the car).

i guess the ITR and the EG is different in terms of body/shock mounting for the rear...

Godspeed - thanks for the link btw

 

i believe ground control does a top mount extension....not sure if it would work for your application though, it does with the ground control/koni combo. oh wait this is so the car goes lower, don't think you need that.....lol, i hope you get something figured out bro.

 

Lol, yah i looked at the site and the extended top-hat is the opposite of what i need.

i found stuff online, but they seem to only be made for off-road 4x4 trucks and jeeps. i think i'll need something like this:

 

I have some of those on my Taco : P

 

i guess u need to run taller springs or helper springs to help to raise the back end...
do u have pic how it looks like on the car right now?
my friend is using spoon N1 on his itr but on lowest sitting, it wasn't that low as well...

 

the thing is, the damper is such a short stroke that i don't think a taller spring would help the situation? maybe i'm wrong?

when i raise the car up off the ground, the wheel comes down maybe 5mm...the pic up top of my EG is pretty much the same wheel gap when i jack up the rear

 

No taller springs won't help, its because its made for the integra and not the eg6....you saying that after jacking the car up, the wheel coming down only 5mm proves this. What you posted is exactly what you need....might be able to get something custom made....not sure where you'd go to get it done. Maybe contact the manufacture of the kit you posted and see if they can make you a one off custom???

 

helper springs don't do anything for ride height. Taller springs won't do anything either since he's already maxxed out the dampers rebound stroke... nothing will raise it but the spacers pictured above.

 

^that's what i was afraid of....

i've seen some in the Option JDM magazines but i'm not sure who would carry that stuff locally.

i'll probably shoot those guys an email (the ones in the pic above) and ask some machine shops if they can CNC me something that has studs pressed into it (like wheel spacers)....dammit, i never knew the EG and the DC were different in terms of the mounting area height for the rears..

 

actually i am wrong...i didn't read about you were about to max out the dampers rebound stroke :s

btw, how was the ride height on the ITR before u buy it??

For the koni yellow/shorten yellow were the same for the integra(not type R eye bolt mount) and EG, i don't think the mounting point for the rear on EG and integra were that much different...???

 

i purchased these from a member here on HT with an ITR. he sent me pics of the suspension on his car and it pretty much looked like the black one above with approx. 1-1.5 finger gap.

I didn't realize it was that different as well, unless the fenders on the EG are lower? i don't know, i'm just a bit frustrated with the height and the fact that i'll have to dump more money on spacers to make this work on my EG.

it works now with rediculous camber, but my local police will give me a vehicle inspection notice with my car looking like it's on airbags

 

You can fix it by just buying a whole Integra Type R =P lol
Sorry I am of no help on suspension.

 

the spoon n1's are known to have a low rear ride height, even at full height adjustment, that's why i sold my set

 

Thats not true - spoon n1 were made for ITR AND JDM eg6 - jdm model has rear LCA same as ITR so spoon dampers fit from factory. Its also recomended ride heigh on Spoon site for dc2 and eg6 and also those 2 pictures.

Recomended heigh from floor to top of the wheel arches.

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