ok i have an ls vtec i was running stock b16 cams before then changed them for obx type r replica the vtec is louder but it feels slower then i got it tuned by a friend and when vtec engages i feel no pul till about 6500 to 8500 is it the tune the car feels slugish

 

You can tune your car at the track, doing timed acceleration pulls, using a gmeter....there are many ways. Dyno's are a tool to aid in tuning, but people in the 60's didn't have them and they managed. The young world of Honda-Tech says you can't tune a car without a dyno because that's all they know, but if you read up and do your research you can learn to properly read plugs and do it without.

A Dyno is a tool...yes it quickens the process, and it's more controlled, but there are countries where people build Honda's and they don't have dynos. It's not impossible, yet if you have access to one take it.

 

A dyno is a tool, yes. And just like any situation where you're missing the proper tool, you might find another way to get the job done, but the end result wont be as great. (And in this situation I would equate the dyno to something like a torque wrench vs something simple like being forced to use standard sockets.)

If all you care about is WOT tuning, and you have a track that isn't overcrowded like most are, then with some trial and error you can get a decent tune. Your feedback is quite limited. 60 ft times, 1/4 mile times. Whatever your datalogs can tell you. Nothing like having an actual plot of torque and horsepower. And you wont be able to hold the load steady while watching the power react to your changes in real time.

The 1960's analogy needs to die. 1960's muscle cars have little in common with our Hondas. Just ask my neighbor that tried adjusting his idle speed on his wife's Honda by tightening the throttle cable. Just a recent example I can think of but there are better ones.

Anyway if the 1960's tuning methods were so great, why were dynos ever invented?

 

Who said they were great?

Of course a dyno is the best. Buy you can get a decent tune without one.

 

street tunes are more real life as mentioned, and the powerband is more realistic

did he tune your car or did he just chip the ecu