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There is a whole thread about toyota guys thinking a toyota 4cylinder is motor capable than a honda.

 

I guess you have never seen a 2zz cyl head, the intake ports are fair superior to side entry port like a honda head. The problem is there is ZERO aftermarket support for the motor, its has massive amounts of potential but ZERO support.

 

At least on Hondas you don't have to replace a shitty cast crank with a $3,500 custom billet crank like you have to do with Toyotas.

 

Didn't Toyota invent VTEC first?

 

the 3sge motor is decent but way better than a honda motor i think not
but is on par,,,,,but it is a jdm market motor only

 

I believe you are referring to VVTI.

 

So, no one has built a custom 2zz engine? If so what was the output?

 

i don't know what there making but we sleeve the 2zz and 2az motors all the time but still like Honda motors better lol

 

Exactly. I know people are building these motors.

It's just that you can't say this one thing is great and why is there not more aftermarket support. The last time I checked, a great engine is the sum of many many good/great things.

 

BMW was actually the first to have "vtec" technology. they call theirs valvetronics

 

Oh that's what it's called, my co-worker mentioned BMW as having similar technology

 

Nah, fiat was 1st according to Wiki. Also, BMW calls there system VANOS.

 

Last time I was in the Celica scene the 200whp mark was the goal. I think there are a couple cars that are pretty close, but you have to realize they just got aftermarket cams 2 years ago. There really is no support.

 

Hah we need to argue that?

Seriously.

We don't, people who believe it's a better motor why isn't it busting Honda *** yet? Cams and a tune for 200whp ... I stopped reading.