Ive been doing some research because i will be rebuilding my motor ('99 B16) in the coming weeks... I have a mild port and polish on my head now, and will be doing the CTR 81.25mm pistons. So i will be boring out my cylinder walls .25mm and will also have my crank micro-polished, most likely do blueprint and balancing as well and ARP head studs. With these pistons in the B16 with B16 head i believe the CR is 11.68:1?

What i want is some info from people on what head package you would reccomend.

I was thinking of doing the Skunk 2 Tuner series stage 2 cams, Titanium retainers, dual valve springs, and valves. But i was also thinking of doing a similar setup with Crower or Ferrara. Also, most of these companies offer oversized valves by +.5mm i believe? what is if any benefit to this?

My goal is to be 200+ whp. I have AEBS intake manifold, ITR throttle body, rc310 injectors, AEM fuel rail.

I will be purchasing a FPR, new headers, WS2 exhaust, and parts listed above....

LMK what you guys think

TIA

Dc2

 

S2 cams, S2 VT. Crower cams, Crower VT etc.

Don't think 200. Just build your motor and be happy with it.

 

Clean Rice is right.....Match your Valvetrain to your Cams. If you run into problems with cams or valvetrain, it's a LOT easier to get things taken care of warranty wise.

Being that you're going with Skunk2 Tuner 2s, I'd go with Skunk2 Valvetrain.

As far as your goal of 200+ WHP, you're going to need quite a bit to get there with a 1.6L. Omni's DVD is a good guide to people wanting to get to the 200 WHP arena with a B16. It doesn't look like you have the goods to get there, Bro.

 

Oh im def going to match it all up, but what im asking is what would you use or recommend? Anyone have experience with any of these setups in there B16?

Skunk 2?

or

Crower?

or

Ferrara?


C Rock77: You dont like ill be around 200-200+? i think with a complete setup and a good tune ill be able to get there...I recall seeing a post on here not too long ago of someone with B16 all motor making just over 200 and he didnt go THAT CRAZY...

 

Considering you're going to match it all up, Ferrea is out.

I'm not saying it's not doable. Omni already showed it was doable. You're just going to need to put together the RIGHT package.

You'll need to use the right cams. I think Omni used Rocket's M22X cams. Rocket makes great stuff (Cams and Valvetrain), and also does good headwork. You didn't list him as a possible option, but don't leave him out.

Skunk2 Pro series cams would likely be a good fit. Considering your CR is gonna be around 12:1. I'm just not sure if it would be Pro1s or Pro2s.

Review what Omni did on his video and take it from there. Not saying it's the end-all-be-all of knowledge, but they did a really good job.

 

99% of the people who "build" a B16 looking for 200 are dissapointed. The only 1-6 I have seen here on the boards that hit 200 was Will's motor. He used S2S2's, Omni did end up using the older M22x's to put him at 200. But it's not as easy as it sounds. You make it sound like you can just throw some parts at it, some compression at it, tune/magic wand and BAM. You have 200. Not the case man. Hell, allot of 1.8 builds fall short of that magical 200 mark. Who gives a ****, really? Does having 200 mean you have a 10" **** or what? I've neevr understood why people get so stuck on that f u c k i n number.

 

Thats what i need to figure out. IDK what setup im going to use...You think the pro series will be more beneficial than the tuner series? They also make valves with a +.5mm oversize? Does anyone know about this? What are the benefits or advantages of doing this? Do you need to have something else to use the oversized valves? Also, they come in standard and high compression. I may be wrong but i thought that 12:1 wasnt considered high compression?


Its not like im putting I/H/E and a tune on here and thinking ill be at 200...lol...Ive already got a decent amount of work done. I will be doing a full valvetrain upgrade on a head that is already ported and polished. I will be boring out my cylinder walls, i know its only .25mm but it will raise displacement and change my compression. (it will change my litre too but not by much. I know it wont be a 1.6 though) possibly deck and i will most likely blueprint and balance the block, and polish the crank as well. With some more things like the Skunk2 headers, FPR, and electronics like Hondata or Crome, i dont think im "throwin parts at it"...atleast in mine and my pockets opinion.... pretty much everything you can change i will have...

Thanks for you input guys, i appreciate it....

 

I'm gonna be honest, but it's going to sound really rude. Sorry in advance...

If you're listing things like a FPR as a "mod." Wanting to "balance and blueprint" a B16. "Doing a full valvetrain upgrade." .25 over and you're increasing your displacement. You have absolutely no idea and are not prepared for what you are trying to accomplish.

How bout a question for you....why 200? Would you rather make 200 or run a certain time/trap at the 1320?

 

Yeah, man....don't take it the wrong way....but I'm starting to be of the opinion that you don't really know enough to know that you don't know $hit about what it's going to take to properly do this.

I'm in the same school of thought as Clean Rice, here. The more I read some of the responses you give, I'm leaning farther that way...That being that the OP needs to do a LOT more research, etc before he starts throwing parts at this thing and expecting to make some number.

Making power takes a lot more than just "painting by number" as DonF so eloquently put it.

Don't take the criticism as a bad thing.....we've ALL been there. Just take a deep breath, step back, READ READ READ posts and advice by the knowledgeable people on this forum so that you will be better prepared for this undertaking.

 

Its not like if i DONT hit 200 im gonna be be all bent outta shape. Exactly as you guys are saying, theres not many B16's in that range N/A. Its simply a goal to look towards. And i understand you sayin what you guys have said. And you are right for sure. I DEF dont know that much about N/A setups when it gets down to the technical (but thats why im here) Its not like my heart is set on 200. It would AWESOME. but if i make 198, thats ok..

j/k

i wouldnt say that i dont know $hit, but i def have LOTS to learn. and trust me i take most criticism in a constructive manner. especially with both of you, since your the only two who have made any type of input or response.


But ive listed a couple questions, and have asked for some info and ive gotten nothing!!! to learn you must be taught, and thats where im lookin to the HT community. before i push the ORDER button on this stuff, i wanna make sure im getting whats right....

 

Oversized valves pro:potentially more flow on the right setup.
Con: less v2v clearance. On High lift cams, this may be an issue if they are not dialed in.
Is this gonna be a track car or dailly driver, what's your budget and mechanical experience, what tools do you have access to?
And if you think boring your block .25mm over will make your block larger than a 1.6 than you are sadly mistaken.

 

Stock B16 puts down like 130-140 WHP stock if I remember right. So you are trying to get 60-70WHP with cams and valvtrain. and a .25mm overbore. Good Luck.
Clean rice is right... What kind of 1/4 mile time you lookin for?? I know guys with 175WHP cars that can smoke 200WHP cars cause the cars are set up better. Dont worry about the power number. Get it tuned and dont look or ask what your HP is. Go for some pulls. If your happy, your happy. Then go see what it really makes.

 

I wouldnt say DD but will be driven a good amount. I have a pick-up truck that i use as well. My budget is not so much an issue, and i will be having one of my friends who is a tech for the local Honda dealer put together the setup. Hes done 2 for me already and countless other setups.



So which series is better?
Pro Series Skunk2 - or - Tuner Series Skunk2 ???


Should i use Stage 2 setup? more? less?

Would 12:1 be STD or High compression?

 

It sounds like your friend will be putting the motor together, so why don't you ask him what cams to use. Otherwise if he doesn't have the tools to dial in the pro series, I would stick to the skunk tuner series stage 2. Otherwise the pro 1's will run like crap if they aren't dialed in and tuned right.
12:1 CR is good enough for the s2s2 tuner series or the s2s1 pro series.

 

Umm

Fixed. This is more the way it goes with this kinda stuff. Its not like learning algebra.