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Old Mar 12, 2009 | 12:52 PM
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Ok i know that this has been asked. I couldnt find it in the search. I suck at that thing. Anyway I was hearing some new things about it. Was reading that you can use the factory speedo and all that now.

My question is what list of parts do you need?

Kpro and a older model RSX-s ECU (2002-2004)?
Throtle cable from ?? EP3?
Do you run a stock RSX-s TB or do you get ie, Blox 70mm?
TB adaptor to fit onto the RBC IM?
What all is intitled in doing this? In the future i plan to run a set of cams but as of right now I just want more out of the car then lower vtec and lil mid range tq.
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Old Mar 12, 2009 | 06:31 PM
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Sounds complicated. For all that time and money I think you should just turbo
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Old Mar 12, 2009 | 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by ajpturbopittsburgh
Sounds complicated. For all that time and money I think you should just turbo
and you still wouldn't be able to tune it properly.

there are a couple people on 8thcivic who've supposedly done this. i'd try to find them and ask them about it. there's a video on youtube posted up of a civic with dual ecu's, you could try to find the car's owner through youtube. i think the hardest part would be wiring in the 2nd ecu.
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Old Mar 12, 2009 | 07:12 PM
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Sounds complicated. For all that time and money I think you should just turbo
i expected something like that to come out of you.
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Old Mar 12, 2009 | 08:11 PM
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Idk if that would be worth the time and money. You could proly get a whole lot more for less money if you went with the reflash, and redid your intake and exhaust system and did engine parts. proly easier too cuz you wont hafta find all the parts and worry about compatability issues and such. and personally i dont really think DBW is that much of a problem, but then again i dont really know the reasons you no longer wana run it?
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Old Mar 13, 2009 | 02:17 AM
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i expected something like that to come out of you.
dude always has something to say about his stupid turbo. you could be asking something about installing a new cd player and he would be like ha ha just get a turbo.
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Old Mar 13, 2009 | 04:49 AM
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dude always has something to say about his stupid turbo. you could be asking something about installing a new cd player and he would be like ha ha just get a turbo.
Yeah...he'd say "All I hear is the prescision turbo trying to consume all of the available air around me, so installing a CD player was pointless for me."
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Old Mar 13, 2009 | 06:28 AM
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ok well ima look for the owners that have do it. thanks. I already have the I/H/E. With reflash i would put down 212 or maybe with my set up. with kpro, i would put down more and then with cams and valvetrain it would be alot more.

Price for price FI vs Kpro for all the **** for kpro and redoing the clutch and flywheel its about the price of a s/c after all the tuning is done with the kpro.
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Old Mar 13, 2009 | 10:22 AM
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Idk if that would be worth the time and money. You could proly get a whole lot more for less money if you went with the reflash, and redid your intake and exhaust system and did engine parts. proly easier too cuz you wont hafta find all the parts and worry about compatability issues and such. and personally i dont really think DBW is that much of a problem, but then again i dont really know the reasons you no longer wana run it?
the dual ecu conversion involves installing an rsx ecu with k-pro on it along with the stock ecu. k-pro allows you to tune the ecu software. runing the rsx ecu requires converting the engine to a throttle cable from dbw.

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ok well ima look for the owners that have do it. thanks. I already have the I/H/E. With reflash i would put down 212 or maybe with my set up. with kpro, i would put down more and then with cams and valvetrain it would be alot more.

Price for price FI vs Kpro for all the **** for kpro and redoing the clutch and flywheel its about the price of a s/c after all the tuning is done with the kpro.
let us know what you find out. i'm interested in this myself cuz i want to turbo my car eventually, but i'm not going to turbo it until there's a good way to tune it. i don't think it sounds all the complicated if you have some free time to work on it; you'll just need wiring diagrams for both ecu's and have to figure out which wires need to stay with the original ecu and which ones go to the new ecu.
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Old Mar 13, 2009 | 11:24 AM
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Sounds complicated. For all that time and money I think you should just turbo
I swear you could turn anything into a "shoulda got a turbo" statement. If I won the lottery and bought myself an M6 you'd probably ramble off. "You coulda got 15 turbo kits for your car for that price....1 to run on and 14 for backup!"

GET OFF IT ALREADY! Turbos need to be tuned as well to genius. And even YOUR car could run alot better with a true tuning solution slapped on with it.
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Old Mar 14, 2009 | 07:02 AM
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well there is a company that did it and they dont really like to share info. They did one persons car and it was like 2400 with the tune. They eliminated the DBW and the MAF. The curise control didnt work and neither did the VSA.

They ran 2 ecus and all teh gauges workd and everything. Its just pricy to do it. They ran a skunk2 70mm exhaust and aem intake with kpro and put down 202whp. They ultimatly did cams and a header i believe and it produced a much better numnber but i cant remember off the top of my head.

COmpany that did it was 2nrs.
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Old Mar 14, 2009 | 09:17 AM
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So...they spent $2400 for 15 HP? I can live with my DBW.
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Old Mar 14, 2009 | 10:38 AM
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thats how i feel. The thread is on 8th somewhere. IDK, i read like 300 post and the shop that did it wanted ppl to come to the shop but for some reason they wouldnt give an adress or a phone number t0 the shop. Yet many members on 8th backed there credibility on the fact that they are on other forums and that the guy has a fast kswapped hatch.

It turned out to me to be all B/S!!!
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Old Mar 14, 2009 | 12:17 PM
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i dont see why people are making such a big deal about DBW i dont really see a huuuuge difference ive owne all throttle cable cars before my Si and didnt have much of an issue driving this and not experience a big change
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I swear you could turn anything into a "shoulda got a turbo" statement. If I won the lottery and bought myself an M6 you'd probably ramble off. "You coulda got 15 turbo kits for your car for that price....1 to run on and 14 for backup!"

GET OFF IT ALREADY! Turbos need to be tuned as well to genius. And even YOUR car could run alot better with a true tuning solution slapped on with it.
You people love to hate me haha. If you had an M6 I would still want to turbo it but trust me I would still rather have the M6 over my AJP turbo civic buddy. I realize turbos need to be tuned. My car runs fine with the AEM FIC. And it's tuned by Hondata via the reflash, so I'm good. I don't know how the other turbos run but I'm sure with the AEM FIC or the GReddy emanage ultimate those other turbos would run fine too. TRue my car may be better if it was fully tuned to optomize the new hardware. So tell me why you need a kpro to tune for FI? How do people fully tune nissan's and and mitsu's other than using piggy back's. My car is tuned very well thanks to HONDATA doing the reflash, guess I did my research and my car is fully tuned, unlike the greddy's and other kits. So no you don't need to wait for a kpro or other tuning solution to do forced induction because it's already out there
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Old Mar 14, 2009 | 03:15 PM
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You people love to hate me haha.

no

and hondata "reflash" is far from a tune
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Old Mar 14, 2009 | 03:27 PM
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Actually, that's exactly what it is. They tuned the car with that particular set up. You tune based on a particular setup. When that setup changes you would have to tweak and retune to optomize. If you are running the same setup you can employ that same tune and eliminate the "tuning process" because it's already been done.
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Old Mar 14, 2009 | 03:32 PM
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Hey jdmeg it is possible to capture the the parameters of a "tune" via the use of computers and then insert them into an ECU via a "reflash". Maybe you've heard of those things.
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Actually, that's exactly what it is. They tuned the car with that particular set up. You tune based on a particular setup. When that setup changes you would have to tweak and retune to optomize. If you are running the same setup you can employ that same tune and eliminate the "tuning process" because it's already been done.
Actually if your car was "tuned" you would be making alot more

A tuned RSX will **** all over a piggy backed SI with a turbo. I mean im just saying and he probably would only be at like 6-10 psi.

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Actually if your car was "tuned" you would be making alot more

A tuned RSX will **** all over a piggy backed SI with a turbo. I mean im just saying and he probably would only be at like 6-10 psi.
x2. the hondata reflash's that're out right now for the civic are far from a tune.
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Old Mar 18, 2009 | 12:09 PM
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Judging the responses i would say just deal with the DBW lol.
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Actually if your car was "tuned" you would be making alot more

A tuned RSX will **** all over a piggy backed SI with a turbo. I mean im just saying and he probably would only be at like 6-10 psi.
Way to fix your post to make a hell of a lot more sense.
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Old Mar 18, 2009 | 03:20 PM
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Actually if your car was "tuned" you would be making alot more

A tuned RSX will **** all over a piggy backed SI with a turbo. I mean im just saying and he probably would only be at like 6-10 psi.
Wow. Do you even know what you are talking about? First off, my reflash is not the standard reflash for the K20Z3. It's a custom reflash tuned with a Hondata representative only for the AJP turbo kit not available to anyone else.

When my kit was first installed we left the boost at 6-7psi and I made 300 horse power at the wheels. They actually claim to obtain 300whp with only 4.5 psi. I tuned more conservatively with the fuel pressure and richened things up to be safer. Find another kit that makes that power.

Now I am at 10psi with the addition of the AEM FIC and am at 400 wheel horse power. So what were you saying about the "tuned rsx" with only 6 to 10psi Shitting on me or an SI? So piggy backed or not or what ever you want to call my tune, doubt you're gonna touch that power with anything else. It is a big turbo with some lag but not bad at all.

100miles+ you should stop before you get laughed at becuse you really sound like you don't know what you are talking about, I am proof of that.

So if I was "tuned",exactly how much more hp would I make on the relatively low boost that I am running?

Ok try another one 100miles+

if you look on you tube there is a vid of a turboed rsx actually being shitted on by an AJP turboed civic. I don't know the people so I cant confirm but it's funny



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SlMw4fY94I
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Old Mar 18, 2009 | 03:49 PM
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HAAAAAAAAAA I95 is my neck of the woods. that rsx isnt turboed. and a girl drives it. lol. OMG that is great you made yourself look dumb as ****!!!
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Old Mar 18, 2009 | 04:03 PM
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Is it your neck of the woods? sure you know every inch of it. And you could tell who was in the other car? Sure you can douche bag.

I already said I didn't know those people. Ok you got me I look terrible right now...Did you even read what I wrote previously? Come with something better than that next time gregster. I still feel pretty good actually
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