Just wanted to know if anyone has the Hondata Reflash + Greddy Turbo Kit w/Emanage? I currently have a N/A setup with the reflash but just purchased the Greddy Turbo Kit and wondering if i should switch back to a stock ECU which i have or keep the reflashed ECU for better power gains?

 

does emanage control timing, fuel and vtec engagement? (I don't know jack **** about emanage)

if so i'd ditch the reflash and start from scratch.

 

i think turbo kit comes with emanage for it...

 

O i know the Kit comes with the emanage but what i wanted to know, is if anyone has used the reflash and the emanage together.

 

e-manage sucks as far as the kit i got for a 96 civic sohc d16y8. the best thing to do is take the car to get it tuned at a speed shop. many boosted motors blow due to crap tuning which leads to running lean and melting ****.

 

Not trying to compare our kits but here is what I think. Do you have the emanage ultimate? If so I read that you can do alot of stuff that my AEM FIC cannot do. But my AJP kit uses a custom HOndata reflash which is why I went for the kit. And I've read that people who get the AJP kit and don't get the Hondata reflash makes it not run as well. But that being said our reflashes are not the same. You have an N/A flash. I also do not know what makes them different. Hondata will tell you nothing and it pisses me the **** off. The fine tuning for the rest of my tune is done with the AEM FIC. I may be wrong and it may be a terrible idea to use your reflash for your turbo, I don't know. But I would try it and have it put on a dyno and fine tune with your emange and have the tuner see how it is running. If it's running badly when you drive it, then ditch the reflash.

I would be tempted to try with the reflash though because Hondata does pretty amazing things with the ecu. My car snaps at 4500k and in the midrange. I know that is partly due to the turbo, but not entirely. I can tell because I'm not fully boosted yet at 4200-4500rpms. Only like 3 or 4psi so part of it has to be the reflash. I wonder if the reflash that I have is really that different from the N/A flash. My redline is 8500 instead of 8600. Vtec switch over is 4250. Other than that I think they may be similar

 

AJP,

I'd put money that the normal hondata reflash runs a lot more timing than your custom reflash you have with your turbo kit.

that being said OP....I wouldn't take my chance to run the normal reflash by itself and unless emanage can manipulate timing then I wouldn't run with the reflash at all.

 

You are probably right. I'd like to know more about the reflashes myself, but it's hard info to obtain. The emanage ultimate can manipulate timing but I don't know about the regular emanage. Unfortunately if he reverts back to a stock ECU he won't benefit from the magic that HONDATA puts into it.

So you are saying the N/A flash advances timing to gain power and since it's not boosted they're is less of a chance of detonation. A turbo flash/tune retards the timing to avoid detonation in boosted condition.....Makes sense if that is what you are saying

 

speaking in general terms, yes. boosted vehicles don't need as much timing as an N/A application. and considering the Z3's compression ratio, pulling timing back is essential when you boost it.

I'm sure honda is not going to spill the beans on how they tuned the reflash but again....I'll put money that there are more aggressive timing maps with the reflash.

 

here's a quote from hondata's website:

Nitrous has not been tested. As ignition timing has not been changed, nitrous is as safe to run with this reflash as with a stock ECU.

according to them the ignition timing hasn't been changed. with that said, i still wouldn't risk running the na flash on a fi setup. i'd trade with somebody for their stock ecu and some $ on their end.

 

i stand corrected. and i agree....still not a good idea to run boost on stock timing maps

 

we'll thanks for the input guys. i've been to hondata and greddy for training a while back and have been tuning on s300, k-pro, and emanage systems for customer and friends cars. so i'm gonna try the kit with the reflash first and see how it is. the kit does come with the emanage ulitmate so i will be able to adjust timing/fuel values. but i'll keep you guys updated on how the tune goes and post dyno plots with and without the reflash

 

Are ignition and cam timing two different things? As in variable valve timing, VTEC? Does that mean Hondata didn't mess with the ignition timing but possibly the cam timing....I dunno?

 

yes, ignition and cam timing are 2 different things. ignition timing is when the spark is fired and cam timing is when the valves are opened/closed. and yes, it's possible hondata messed with the cam timing.