Hi guys..
I ordered a portflow ported GSR head with supertech internals aprox. 1 year ago from laskey racing. I wanted mike to put in the new aluminium retaiers cause I was planing to use this head for drag only. I changed my plans and now I´m building a ITR tubro (street car) so I decided to put the supertech springs and valves into my type R head. I don´t want to use the aluminium retainers so I ordered a set of supertech titanium retaiers. Today I started to assamble the head and it seems that the inner diameter of the outer springs is aprox 1mm too small for the supertech titanium retainers. The retainer doesn´t fit into the spring. Here are some pics:








by the way.. are the OEM ITR and B16 keepers 7 degree keepers?

 

the stock honda keepers are 7 degree,also manley and st sell machined ones as well if you wanna upgrade.
have you tried to push the in with some pressure. i got crower chrom-moly retainers with my st springs and i had to give them some force to get them in. the snap fit is a good thing cause the retainer wont move in the spring,which is where most of ti-retainers failures come from. also im the guy that sold you the ls crank and shipped it to laskey racing for you,ihope your build went well

 

Good advice, try to "snap" the retainer on. Snug in this case is good.

 

hey thanx man.. the crank is great.

I tried to push them in with some pressure but only the stock spring seat locaters snaped in. Some of the supertech retainers also snaped in but as you can see in the picture they don´t fit correct..
I compared the measurements from my supertech springs with the measurements on the supertech site and the are completly different. The diameter of the outer spring is too small.

 

no ideas guys? Are theese the corect valve springs for a b series vtec head?

 

ttt. good thread. maybe this will solve my issue, i will look into mine. I am havin this issue:

https://honda-tech.com/forums/forced-induction-16/metallic-click-pop-noise-coming-engine-2505909/

 

mike (ninesecrx) .. what are your ideas about my problem? Do you have some b series springs laying around to measure the inner diameter of the outer spring?

 

nobody with a set of b series supertech springs laying around who can take some measurements to compare them with my springs? Come on guys I want to solve the problem to assable my head :-(

I also measured the supertech aluminium retainer and the diameter is a bit smaller than at the titanium retainer But its still too large (aprox. 0,8mm) for my springs in my opinion.

 

do you have the package with the part # on it for the springs. maybe you was sent the wrong ones.

 

no :-( I purchased the head package from mike. The spring retainers and valves were already installed.

 

I just got a set of Rocket Motorsport valve springs+retainers and I had the same problem as you. The retainer is measurably bigger in diameter than the inner diameter of the outer spring. The inner spring I was able to snap on by hand.


Anyhow, here was my solution to the problem:




The spring was near or at full bind before the retainer finally snapped in. I actually just finished doing them about an hour ago. Be careful if you use a bench vise, at full bind I stripped the threads out of my 30 year old vise, had to run to lowe's to buy a new one. If the spring is at full bind and the retainer just won't go in, don't force the vise too much further. Open the vise, readjust the retainer/spring and try again.

Ideally, you'd use a hydro press like this one:



The retainer is designed to be snap-fit so the spring doesn't move around against the surface and prematurely wear out the retainer. Good luck.

 

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Supertech does not make a actual turbo spring for their aluminum retainers. In order to switch from aluminum retainers back to the TI units, it looks like you will need to get a set of shelf ST turbo springs. Supertech did tell me when they started selling their aluminum retainers that they are any bit as strong as their TI units and should last just as long on street vehicles. Hope that helps.

 

I would not use those retainers if I were you, that much pressure shouldn't have to be used to seat the retainer. It would cause an awful lot of friction and wear during action. If I might make a suggestion, I used buddy club racing on a b16a build and they get the job done. Good Luck in your build please keep me posted on any future findings.

 

here is a bright idea....why dont u just have mike put the head together for you??? spend the extra money to have it done right.

 

I purchased the head from mike aprox. 2 years ago. It was built by portflow with THIS springs. As you can see there is something wrong with the springs itself. I´ve build several b series heads so I think I know what I´m doing here and what I´m talking about. If I´ll sent mike my head with the springs and retainers he´ll have the same problem I have!

I´m already in contact with mike and he told me that he talked with ***** at Portflow today ***** did not confirm that 100 percent, thinks there might have been a run of springs that were not made the right size. As I said the head was assambled by Portflow. They say it was ST springs.

 

so then whats the problem??? get a new set of springs and see if that solves ur problem...

 

lool you are funny. The problem is that I was trying to find out if it is realy the spring which is wrong. Maybe here are other people with the same issues. A few days ago I didn´t even know all that informations. I hope mike or supertech or portflow will get me a set of new springs for free cause it isn´t my fault that supertech produces some springs with the wrong dimentions. I´m also supriesed that portflow installed this combo in my head cause they must had the same issue even with the alu retainers!

 

yea...supertec should def replace them for free... but it has been what..2 years you said?? good luck to ya man..either way..

 

Hendrik,

You must READ my above post. The springs that were used were the ONLY TURBO springs that work with ALUMINUM retainers. To make the switch back to TI retainers, Supertechs normal shelf turbo springs should be used. There was no mix up, there was not a issue with the parts installed in your head. Those springs were a match for the ALUMINUM retainers used for a TURBO application. Not a mix up, not wrong parts used in the build, there was no issue with the head. Only problem here is now that you want to go back to Ti retainers, you will also need to buy the normal shelf turbo spring from Supertech.

 

well...there's yur answer man. guess u just didnt research it enough. hey mike...btw...this is josh. ricky's friend..u have my jdm gsr motor. i need to talk to you bout that...i'll give u a call in like 30 min or so...

 

ok I´m sorry mike. I got your answer wrong.. Could you please give me some details about the springs I have like seat pressure and open lift pressure and so on.