k so i hear alot of good about the type r motor.. but what are some of the down sides to it? also what are some of the limits to which you can take it to get power? thanks in advanced

 

it costs alot

 

lol ive got the motor so im already in the hole.. but just wondering what you guys think

 

Waste of money. Only thing worth while is if its a 98+ jdm trans just because of the gearing and lsd

 

i got a 98 spec and i do have a lsd trans.. why do you say a waste of money?

 

Just run it and then tell us what it's like. I've had two friends with the motor, they both loved it.

Most comments you would get are from people who haven't worked on the motor, haven't seen it perform, and haven't owned one.

Good luck with it after you get it installed.

 

Mostly because you can make an GSR run the same for prob a little less than buying a Type-R. Plus the fact that if your car gets stolen your out even more money on your type-r motor. My advice, don't tell ANYONE what you have in your car unless you absolutely trust them.

BTW, which type-r motor do you have? B16B or B18C or B18C5?

 

If you are planning to EVER put money into the motor, then IMO it was pointless to buy an itr motor in the first place. The trans' are great though.

 

What do you mean by haven't worked on the motor? Its a Type-r. I have worked on them. A few actually. It was NO different then the hand full of gsr's Ive built for other people or owned my self. I'm not knocking this dude. If he wants a road race motor that's going to be 100% OEM then he has one that will perform. Otherwise, i would consider selling the longblock.

 

I wish I would have gotten the Type R package just for the tranny as GSR gearing sucks but hopefully Mfactory 4.9 final drive will make it better.

 

i cant stand people that say this. how do u figure its a waste of money? u can make 200 wheel pretty easy with a stock itr bottom. same cant be said with a gsr.
what u get with a jdm itr over a jdm gsr swap.

stronger crank, stronger rods, higher compression pistons with anti friction coatings on the skirts and extra oiling holes in the ring grooves, hand ported head, dual springs intake and exhaust, type r valves are lighter than other b series valves, bigger factory cam, better intake manifold, bigger throttle body, 98spec has 4-1 header, both have lsd trans, and u get the nice red valve cover and a polished oil cap. ya waste of money, honda had no clue what they were doing when they made this motor.

a decent cam, a great header-testpipe-2.5 exhaust, 310cc's, management, and a good intake manifold will get u up in the 200 area easily and i would rather spend the extra on the type r swap and put those parts on that rather then the gsr.

 

I have a type R and LOVE it. I have 210 to the wheels with some cams and valves. Oh and a fuel pump and tune. Runs amazing. and screams up high. I have no downside to tell you about.

Love the factory oil cooler also GSR's don't have that!

 

this link is for anyone who thinks type r's are a waste of money. lots of good info on the differences between the r and the rest of the b group.
https://honda-tech.com/forums/showth...il+type+pump+r

 

The only down side i look at is you are basically out of any type of boosting capabilities. you dont seem to wanna run that route so i would slap that bad boy in and run with it. great motor

 

Hmmmm. How bad of an idea would boosting one be?

I am considering throwing on a Jackson Racing Supercharger and running moderately low boost before I have a chance to do some work to the motor and run higher boost.

 

running low boost with a supercharger wouldnt be too bad at all... considering you keep it at about 6psi or so. IMO building a type r for boost would be a waste... why build a low comp type r?

 

umm.....every ITR has an LSD.

The 98+ spec effective gearing was about the same as the rest. The FD was shorter..but the trans ratios were taller. The advantage to this trans is that you can swap in earlier trans ratios.

Waste of money? Not really.

Someone also said something about the ITR motor not liking boost? No B series really LIKES boost. They're all high comp. open deck aluminum motors with cast pistons. The ITR is about as boost friendly as the GSR...except for maybe the GSR's cams are better for boost....

The only downsides are that you can't have cruise control unless you chip a P72 or something else to make it run.

I use the hell out of my cruise.

 

HP per Dollar, its the worst JDM motor you can get from any car company. Its simply not open for debate. An STi swap does more for less, you can beat it with a fresh D15B and a off-the-shelf turbo kit, and destroy it with a B16 or LS with a pieced-together turbo kit. However if you're all about OEM parts and think turbocharged motors are unreliable, then its the cat's ***. One could argue the ITR has more MAXIUM potential. However I'd sell an ITR/CTR swap for another b-series + turbo kit + cash any day of the week.

Here's a good example, albeit not with a full ITR, nor on the street. A guy dyno'd his JDM B20 block with a USDM ITR head - purchased NEW for $1750 - dunno what he paid for the block/trans/etc. He made 162whp/144wtq with I/H/E, although he was just running an stock ITR ecu with FPR adjustments. My Z6 I built & street-tuned myself (stock besides pistons/rods) gets dyno'd with a 50trim T3, crap mani I made myself, and stock exhaust. I pull an even 160whp/140wtq at 6psi, and only because unexpected oil on the clutch was causing slippage above that. At that point I had less than $1750 into my entire powertrain.

 

simply not open for debate? haha hardly. if u are looking into buying or own a r swap u def know what your using it for and thats not for boost. so someone that has interest or owns a an r swap doesnt give a crap about a d series turbo. all your trying to do is go the fastest with the least amount of money and that always ends up with shittier parts and more problems. obviously the price of the swap is expensive but it worth it for what it was made for, a reliable high hp per liter engine. dont turn this topic into why would u buy this if u could just buy this and turbo it.

 

i have a downside to the type r motor. people like to jack them and word will get spread around you have one and before you know it, it will be gone. thats really the only downside i would have to say about it. oh and not to mention if you were to throw a rod or somthing for some reason or another, i think that would just **** me off considering you destroyed a type r motor.

 

theres really no cons compared to other b-series because now a days people will jack anything so its no safer than a gsr.

also, yea you can make any motor stronger than the itr with the money you spend on it, but i guarantee that it wont be as reliable as the itr motor. plus, most people buy an itr motor because of the stock power and factory reliability. also, the trans plays a big part. closer gear ratio plus the lsd...which drives the price up. i think some people buy it for the name also...it really depends on what you plan on doing with the itr motor. if you were just gonna swap it with basic bolt ons then do it, but if you planned on all out racing then, should of gone a different route.

next time, specify your plans so we can help you and not argue bout which motor is better(which has been done for like the millionth time).

 

jdm gsr have the cooler

 

pls explain???? thx

 

i've always been told that the type-r is powerful but its kind of just a motor you get to show you have more money because i feel the GsR engine has plenty of power and if your going turbo your going to have to spend money eitherway to build it up properly

 

yea not sure where you are going with the whole cruise control thing? I have cruise in my SI with the type R swap..

I also wasn't aware that the JDM gsr has the oil cooler. You learn something new every day.

Oh and by the way I have a boosted type R and as far as I can tell the motor loves it. Remember people its ALL in the tune. Now while I can't run 15psi I can still make the same power on 6psi that a b16 can make on 12.

I also have the cool factor of having a turbo Type R. haha. I am just kidding everyone!

But it is cool.