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Old Feb 7, 2009 | 03:34 PM
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Ok so I bought a 94 Integra GSR for a really good price. Come to find out whoever had it b4 me was ghetto and cut the wheel well lip out on the rear QP's. Not a good idea since there starting to rot there now. So I decided to change the entire QP's Instead of a hack Fiberglass or Bondo job. I will add pics as I make progress. This is not for the weak of heart. Tools required are listed below

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Old Feb 8, 2009 | 06:42 AM
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used QP's already have the moulding shaved, u gonna do the doors also...
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Old Feb 8, 2009 | 02:39 PM
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buying a set of type-r doors as well so no need to shave anything. Same thing with the quarter panels. Type-R's dont have the mouldings
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Old Feb 9, 2009 | 12:39 PM
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a few more pics from 2day
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Old Feb 10, 2009 | 04:41 PM
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few more pics from today. Started drilling out the spot welds on the car today
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Old Feb 10, 2009 | 04:46 PM
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man thats alot of spot welds.what type cutter are you using?i used the type that looks like a little hole saw.went though a few of them.
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Old Feb 10, 2009 | 04:51 PM
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ya I bought 6 spot weld cutters. Each tool has 2 blades. Went through 3 already lol. There like $5 each at harbor freight.
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Old Feb 10, 2009 | 05:45 PM
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man you know you can buy factory replacment panels for probably the same amount you got invested in those used panels especially when you factor in the time in prepping the used panels. and when you use a spot weld cutter your not supposed to drill a hole all the way through the panel. you just cut the weld and then use a panel knife to separate the two if you need to. and why waste money on type r doors when all you would have to do is weld up like six 1/4" holes in each door? you could do it in an hour easy.
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Old Feb 10, 2009 | 06:09 PM
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Nice job precisionsc54. Get the typeR doors dont shave yours, the less filler on the car the better. Keep up the great work
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Old Feb 10, 2009 | 06:53 PM
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haha an hr a door ya ok. Better off just to get type-r doors not have to do any welding and filling. I guess you havent done much body work. Or if you have it was half assed. Factory QP's are about $900 for the pair so for the $200 I have invested in these type-r quarters I think its a pretty good deal. And as far as the spot welds go I would much rather just drill all the way through and not have to worry about having trouble reinstalling the new panels. When u use a spot weld cutter and dont cut all the way through your left with that circle still spot welded to the part. That makes for a pain in the *** when you go to reinstall the new part.
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Old Feb 10, 2009 | 06:53 PM
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ya I bought 6 spot weld cutters. Each tool has 2 blades. Went through 3 already lol. There like $5 each at harbor freight.
yea your using the same one i was.at the time i was getting mine from eastwood and the local body supply.then sometime after that harbor freight started selling them for way cheaper.
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Old Feb 10, 2009 | 06:54 PM
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Nice job precisionsc54. Get the typeR doors dont shave yours, the less filler on the car the better. Keep up the great work
Thanks for the props.
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Old Feb 10, 2009 | 07:57 PM
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haha an hr a door ya ok. Better off just to get type-r doors not have to do any welding and filling. I guess you havent done much body work. Or if you have it was half assed. Factory QP's are about $900 for the pair so for the $200 I have invested in these type-r quarters I think its a pretty good deal. And as far as the spot welds go I would much rather just drill all the way through and not have to worry about having trouble reinstalling the new panels. When u use a spot weld cutter and dont cut all the way through your left with that circle still spot welded to the part. That makes for a pain in the *** when you go to reinstall the new part.
why would it take more than an hour and why do you assume that i do half *** work?? ive done a lot of sheet metal welding and IF you know what your doing you can do it in an hour. cut a strip of metal 1/4" wide, then cut twelve 1/4" squares off of that strip, should be able to do that in 10min with one hand duct taped to a 40 oz.. and you should be able to tack each square into the hole and run tacks all the way around each one, i can do it drunk in 20min. that leaves a half hour to cut the 40 off your hand, take a **** and grind down the weld area. if you knew what you were doing you didnt warp the metal when you welded or grinded it, so you dont need any body filler, just some se primer and maybe a filler primer. if you cant do that in an hour i guess you havent done that much welding/fabrication/body work. unless you get type r doors the same color you need (unlikely) and without any dents/dings (unlikely) it'll be just as fast if not faster and a lot cheaper.

last time i checked those panels werent $900 but i could be wrong maybe the r's are more since they have all that extra metal in them, but if it was cheaper to use used panels i would think the acura body shop i work at would use them instead of getting new ones.

as far as the spot cutters go, yeah you should cut through the used replacement panel you are using which is just how the new replacement panels come. what i was referring to was the panels you are removing from the car, you cut all the way through leaving you with a hole in the spot you would normally weld the replacement panel to. what are you going to weld the replacements to now.

spot cutters have and serve a purpose and so do panel knifes and if your just going to DRILL all the way through the welds why are you wasting money on cheap spot weld cutters that you are burning through when you could just use a DRILL BIT?
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Old Feb 11, 2009 | 02:51 AM
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Usually what I do to get panels off of a car is grind down the welds. Esspecially on a quarter. Saves so much time cause I do not have to use a spot weld cutter and then grind down the remaining material, and I don't drill through were I will be welding.
The problem with drilling through like you did and using a used quarter is that the welds on both quarters are most likely in the same spot. You may have to make new holes and weld those instead and then fill the other holes with weld. You do not want to try to fill that many holes because in the advent of an accident, that quarter will not do any good seeing as the welds are only really tacked in if the holes all lined.

Maybe I explained that well enough. Well good luck with it all.
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Old Feb 11, 2009 | 04:00 AM
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This is all coming from a guy that works at a production body shop. Talk to me when you work at a high end custom shop, thats not all about getting it out the door so they can collect the insurance check. So anyways the holes def dont line up on the new to old qp's and new qp's are $900. As far as welding the holes up in the doors, I can def do it but with the time involved I would rather just get a set that didnt need to be shaved. Color doesnt matter and why is this a pissing contest anyways. No wonder Honda-Tech has such a bad rap. Its from *ssholes like you that make ppl not want to post here anymore
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Old Feb 11, 2009 | 09:03 AM
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Usually what I do to get panels off of a car is grind down the welds. Esspecially on a quarter. Saves so much time cause I do not have to use a spot weld cutter and then grind down the remaining material, and I don't drill through were I will be welding.
The problem with drilling through like you did and using a used quarter is that the welds on both quarters are most likely in the same spot. You may have to make new holes and weld those instead and then fill the other holes with weld. You do not want to try to fill that many holes because in the advent of an accident, that quarter will not do any good seeing as the welds are only really tacked in if the holes all lined.

Maybe I explained that well enough. Well good luck with it all.

yes sir. this is exactly what i was trying to tell you.

it wasnt a pissing contest untill you accused me of doing half assed work. just because i work at a body shop doesnt mean i dont do custom **** on the side either (my personal car has an all steel wide body). i wasnt trying to be an ******* and i really dont think i was. i was trying to help you out so you didnt have to waste unnessisary time and money and also help the future readers of this post so they dont do it the wrong way ( aka, your way)
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Old Feb 11, 2009 | 09:56 AM
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haha
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Old Feb 22, 2009 | 10:32 AM
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Very interested in the outcome. I've always heard of this but never really seen it done. Please keep us updated.
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Old Feb 22, 2009 | 10:59 AM
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Will do. Just been busy putting the siding on my new garage. Gotta get everything cleaned out of there so I can have room to work.
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Old Feb 23, 2009 | 12:06 AM
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you are doing good work. i dont go all the way through on my spot welds either, you dont always have a backing to weld to when you go that route. i drill out the welds and use a panel splitter. i even put a wege in the spots i can so the spot welds pop when im through. then just grind off the tabs, no worry about not havng a mating surface.
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Old Feb 23, 2009 | 03:45 PM
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well just about all of the spot welds dont line up on the old QP's to the new QP's so I shouldnt have any problems
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Old Apr 30, 2010 | 06:40 PM
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hate to dig this up but do you have any pictures of the rear panel section that goes inbetween the two quarters? thats what i have to replace on my car
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