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Old Feb 5, 2009 | 06:46 AM
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Default Finished Suspension, uneven sides and camber issue

I'm sure somebody out there has had the same issue before. I just finished up my B16 swap in my '93 Si, and knocked out the suspension while I was at it. I installed Tokico Illumni adjustables w/Skunk2 coilovers before I took the jack out. I did NOT intall a camber kit, as I had no camber wear with my previous setup (yes this is stupid on my part). I immediately noticed once the car was on the ground that while the rears were perfect, the fronts were quite off. The Driver side sat exactly how I wanted it to, and the camber/toe looked good. However the pass. side sits about 1/2 higher, and the front perches are set exactly the same. Not only this, but I noticed that the bottom of the wheel is pretty cambered/kicked out, to the point that the outside of my tire is pretty much off the ground. I checked the lower ball joint, and upper arms on both sides, they look good and are flush. I have no idea what could be throwing everything off, the only thing that I did notice is that the taper on my axle nut is flush with the end of the axle when it's tight, so i'm thinking the spindle isn't where it needs to be(?). I've never really messed with suspension parts to this extent, has anyone had an issue like this, or can point me to the thread to somebody that has?
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Old Feb 5, 2009 | 01:41 PM
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Uneven ride height is expected, if the perches were set evenly. The weight is not 50/50 left/right, and the car sat uneven stock (you just can't tell with the huge 4" fender gap).

As for camber, it should still be nearly even left/right, unless something is bent or incorrectly installed. But, camber isn't something to eyeball, put the car on an alignment rack and verify what the values actually are.

So, decide on final ride height, adjust perches to make car sit level (if desired, I would advice against but thats me and most disagree), get car aligned, see where you stand.
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Old Feb 5, 2009 | 06:37 PM
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So you're saying the front pass. side is 1/2" higher than the left, but has WAY more negative camber than the left side? Something is definitely not right. It almost sounds like you have the wrong knuckle on there, like a DA Integra knuckle, which is taller and will cause the wheel's camber to go negative on a 5th gen or 6th gen Civic.
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Old Feb 6, 2009 | 12:58 PM
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i had this same problem on my teg i had kyb struts aqnd ebay coilovers and my passenger side sat lower than the rest i got rid of them and went with civic si oem srings and kyb stuts rides like a charm know
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Originally Posted by soto2635
i had this same problem on my teg i had kyb struts aqnd ebay coilovers and my passenger side sat lower than the rest i got rid of them and went with civic si oem srings and kyb stuts rides like a charm know
I don't get all these recent posts about uneven ride height with adjustable coilover suspension. If you have adjustable coilovers and one side sits lower or higher, why didn't you just adjust it? That's the whole point of having adjustable coilovers, so you can dial in the ride height exactly how you want it.
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Old Feb 6, 2009 | 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by PatrickGSR94
I don't get all these recent posts about uneven ride height with adjustable coilover suspension. If you have adjustable coilovers and one side sits lower or higher, why didn't you just adjust it? That's the whole point of having adjustable coilovers, so you can dial in the ride height exactly how you want it.
Because people assume the car was level stock, and then further assume that setting equal perch heights would result in a level car. When they find that it isn't level with equal perch settings, they have a "WTF?" moment and ask to verify that something isn't wrong with their car.

Maybe we should add a sticky thread about leveling the car using threaded perches, and the pros and cons of doing so. We should also consider including information concerning corner balancing the car, which is the true benefit of using threaded spring perches (as opposed to fixed height changes like Koni circlip location).
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Old Feb 6, 2009 | 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by TunerN00b
Because people assume the car was level stock, and then further assume that setting equal perch heights would result in a level car. When they find that it isn't level with equal perch settings, they have a "WTF?" moment and ask to verify that something isn't wrong with their car.

Maybe we should add a sticky thread about leveling the car using threaded perches, and the pros and cons of doing so. We should also consider including information concerning corner balancing the car, which is the true benefit of using threaded spring perches (as opposed to fixed height changes like Koni circlip location).

maybe we should just add a sticky "stop being an idiot".

OP, you shouldnt have that degree of negative camber on the front passenger side. difference in ride height is expected, front left is typically always lower. it happens over time.

take the suspension apart, redo it, and jack the suspension before tightening the bushings.

if everything is fine, set your ride height where you want it, then get an alignment to fix your toe.

if your cross camber results after the alignment are still significant, then look into replacing hte bent knuckle.
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