Just curious, but what is the difference between the 2. I know the H22 has more power and stuff, but in the long run which engine would be better?

 

Man do a RESEARCH in the forum, theres like 20 topics that describes that

 

Search.

 

 

A turbo'd f would have fncked you in your *** with a parking cone 3 inch deep if all you had was an F20c with bolt ons exotics. I've heard dull but loud vibrations coming from underneath the car as the H22 accelerating, especially uphill. If you know nothing about your car I suggest going to the dealership. But I recommend you go with the Hayden 401 transmission cooler over any if you're going with the t59.

The Honda semi-auto tranny just does not hold up well to added mere 10+ HP. Hmm, you'll probably be better off getting an H22 without the tranny and have the tranny built from Area 51.

Like Big James said, you can definitely put an semi-auto tranny on an H22 along with the Colt 1911.

On the commercial, they claimed that a Ford Maxima gained 22hp with the Tornado, so maybe you can hit ZTEC faster.

If you are doing the Level 19 upgrade to your existing F22 tranny, you might be able to use your current ECU with UPS ports, however I don't know how well it would perform, seeing as how the F16 tranny is programmed to have pretty short gears. Other people who have actually done this swap could probably tell you better than I could, but I hope this helps.

 

WTF???
I want what he's on

 

Wow, that just happened.

Back on the topic. What do you mean in the long run, give us an idea of what your long term goal is your trying to achieve and I can give you my opinion. Cause what you consider to be your long term goal is different from the next persons.

 

i have had many h22s and they're good motors but expensive to maintane. a full tune up in parts alone cost about $400 minus labor. and gas, don't even get me started you can only pump premium because grade less makes the motor bog. i'd go for a f22 dohc vtec setup. cheaper to build and maintane. my .02C...

 

CD595 has a valid point. You have to determine how the final example will be used.
Both the F and H22 series (in all their permutations) are great designs, but they produce power differently and were specifically designed for different applications.

The F22 was specific designed for the Accord, corresponding Acura's and as the base engine for the Prelude; offering it's lower rpm power band and increased torque to accellerate these lard-asses, it's lower noise footprint and other considerations.

The H22 was specific designed for the Prelude SI Vtec and such others as the EuroR and other JDM offerings. Because of design considerations (The H's higher rpm power curve (and lack of comparable low rpm torque) mandated a matched Transmission with higher gearing.

For a heavy car (such as the Accord) the F22, with it's greater torque potential (IMHO) is a good basis to start. Engine parts like Big Bore Kits, Stroker cranks and Turbo's are available if you insist on spending big bucks.

If you want the ultimate in 24/7 "***** & Giggles", shoehorn an H22 in something like a Civic. Not only are you going from a 1.6L engine to a 2.2L (Displacement is your friend), but the car weighs almost nothing either.
...and thats a topic for another forum

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I would say the F22 in the long run, IMO.

What do you plan to do though and that might change my answer. But for a nice daily reliable driver F22 will be good.
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This guy *dleccord* smokes "rOcKs" for real man.

 

F22's with their stock transmissions...= a life on the low rpm, longer life for the engine
H22's with their stock transmissions...= constantly on higher rpms, shorter life spam.

I never heard of h22's hitting 300k miles.

 

Hi there gentlemen :O)


This thread hurts my brain



700+ soon TWKD ;OP

 

Now its gonna get good, the big hitters are here !
intrested to see the trq curve on the H with that much power ?

:looks at wish list: >>> built H

 

I know; and it's been rehashed sooo many times before. But it's a great topic and fun to pick out all the mis-information.
Besides, it allows me to brush up on my "hunt & peck" typing skills.

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I have dynos of a couple 612/620WHP pulls i made with boost falling off up top. Still using stock JDM cams (which might change too...) which is the primnary culprit with tq falling above 75oo ish without ramping boost in up top to hold it flat.....

Plan is to retune on the bigger snail and fuel system here in a couple months. Ill stop at the first pull over 700.

Main reason I put a bigger snail is that I got a T4 DBB T04Z for 700 brand new and want to make more than i did before on pump (520 at 17 PSI). Built a new manifold too... Its wicked-divided-twin 44s. Just not posting pics of the car anymore... Too much drama.

The increase peak will be mostly collateral bennefits.

 

gianinline, my friend bought a vtec prelude with 274k original miles and beat the hell out of it for 23,000 miles and sold it. only part he kept swaping out was axles. they have a habit of breaking.

 

Damn 620tq that thing must rip ! I have seen some high hp F's but not QUITE that high.. How is it on the low end ? streetable (w/ or w/o AC, PS) ?

Your engine bay has got to be a tight fit..Did you design/fab the mani yourself ? I upgraded to a Syncrowave a couple months ago and I too have been meaning to take a day and make a new mani.

 

OP, it is no secret I am an F series cheerleader so I honestly am going to lean to tell you to go that route pretty much, but there is no question the H series is as good a choice depending on where you want to go with it, your budget, etc. They are proven and the aftermarket support for them is better than the F in alot of areas if your planning buildup. Let us know what your wanting.

Hahaha nice! Sounds like your taking it to the next level, you got the bug bro. Going to be a whole new beast, and you know I like the sleeper look too you got going. Just a drop, a shiney radiator, and some big tires here too.

Unfortunely I have the bug too, changes are underway on mine as well. (evil laugh) You know I have the keep 2 or 3 steps ahead of any of the other F's I know of.

Pm me sometime we can shoot the **** about our grocery getters.

 

Do you really think that if you take out your AC, PS, you're gonna gain 100+hp like he did?

 

re-read the thread then check back in.

.... im intrested in the "new" manifold design (twin 44 wastegated manifold + bigger turbo + h22 = one crammed engine bay.)