I stumbled on one of many vids on youtube about civic AWD conversions done in poland and this one was a coupè which i found quite interesting There are a few things I would have done different but here they are I suppose this counts as fabrication





This is the one that shows it clearly. To ME the differential is mounted FAR to low to the ground i would imagine it would tend to bottom out if your car was to low




BUt I definitely applaud him for the projects success!! From what i can understand he used the gearbox and rear suspension and drive train from a 96-00 Civic Ferio RTSi 4WD He has a D16 y8 in it with a small turbo. However the trailing arms are the same length as a 2wd civic. One could also use the Honda Orthia drive train which is coupled to either a b18b or a b20z either available with 5spd manual gearboxes if one were to prefer a turbo b18 or b16 however a motor with more torque would work much better with any sort of AWD system
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I do not know what he did Fuel tank wise I sent him a PM on youtube and im still waiting for a respons my guess is fuel cell but If the RTSi Fuel tank fit on the car he may have used that. It would save trunk space! lol

 

Sweet find dude. Looks like it's pretty simple to do. Is the trans 5spd or auto? What does it use for front and rear axles? Does the driveshaft have to be cut? Could defently put that rear diff up higher by cutting the rear crossmember and welding it shut.
As far as a gas tank goes I'm sure that he used a fuel cell of some sort.

This guy is going to have some fire issues, look how close the fuel lines are next to exhaust, lol.

It looks like there is a viscious coupling in the rear differential, that could be a good thing. More room for beefier parts in the trans.
Did he actually drive it? Looks like those rear axles are over extended by inner cv joint due to the rear differential sitting too low. Can't be a good thing.

Now this guy needs to make a killing and import these parts over here.
If I get some extra money I just might pull the good old b out and go back to d.

 

Its tobad the CRV system can barley hold its own power

Nice work tho

 

Alright this answer would pertain to both he used a Civic RTSi which comes factory with 4wd and a d16y8 in japan Apparently parts are easy to get because the japanese cut up old unused cars. these rear ends have been used in several builts one of which is on a wago van they used the CRV diff to beef up the rear end However one guy build and EF hatch awd and it has 400 hp. the system dint break at all it held up fine So that means a CRV one is stronger. The way the system works is clutches engage and disengage the system so there is no direct connection ERGO the rear end holds up better because its not being slammed through the gears like an EVO or STI would. NOW the bacground info is clear

It is a manual trans mission from a civic RTSi
pretty much all the parts are from the civic RTSi The front half shafts are the same so he can use his old ones but if some one has a b16 say then they would need to use a CRV or honda ORTHIA trans mission to accept the b series engine. The drive shaft dint appear to be shortened because it came off of a civic . He should have used the peice that came with the swap. The swap included the this..
Yes the viscious coupleing was a newer real time 4wd introduced in the 6th gen civics also found in the orthia and the CRV, The gas tank i think he did to a fuel cell altho i would have used the arched gas tank that came with it.. since its MADE FOR IT and it has a built in heat sheild to solve the problem of the exaust being to close to the fuel lines. thats the break down on the fuel tank and the heat sheild and routing of fuel in the factory RTSi or Orthia GX . I totally agree with you about the rear axles he should have like i said before cut the factory crossmember out and used the one that came with the car if im not mistaken i think the holes on the cross member line up with holds on every factory 6th gen honda go check under your car and you will see 4 holes 2 on each side toward the back of your ous side of the frame sorta behind the crossmember .so it would be a matter of boxing in the cut areas and putting the rear crossmember in to place. The Rear struts however are different instead of having a fork they are more like the integra or the CRV where they go inside the control arm to one hinge so im not 100 percent on what suspension you would use i think i remember seeing on a forum with a bunch of orthia owners they use Integra struts all the way around and it seems to work fine.
BUt he did actually drive it.. This thing looks like it scoots good!! most people think the honda awd is weak.. must be an urban Honda Legend (pun)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFMzI...e=channel_page
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMX3h...eature=channel

 

wow, thats allot of work

shoulda just bought a scoobaru

 

ya but ne one can go buy a subaru. Just like making furnature NE one can go out and buy furniture thats no fun at all Its much more fun to make it.

 

ABK i was thinking if some one were to maybe cut the notch in to the crossmember like you said but make like a sort of bar to support that crossmember out of 2 or 3 inch Square tubing. Maybe put 45 degree angles on each side of the brace so its like a \___/ shape so the differential mount could be bolted to the top of the bar and it would bring that dif up with out sacraficing structural integratiy

 

i like pudding

 

Pudding is good

 

This is def by far the easyest swap ive seen AWD Honda wise this dint reqire any shortening just mouting and exhaust

 

does anyone know where I can find Rtsi stuff.
The JDM local shot doesnt seem to know the rtsi so I can't find parts for my conversion
I need all the rear of the car, I want to do a oem fitment look conversion

 

Well The Aussies seem to beable to get parts easily from japan ive been talking to some Kiwies to (people from New zeland) and they get Tons of grey market imports. they have enough where they can go to local junk yards but i would suggest contacting the polish kid on youtube. i posted the videos so just message him and find out where he got it.. Im not sure the availablility of it there . Russia is another big place where grey market japanese vehicles are popular but they tend to drive them till there is nothing left. If you find out let me know because id like to do the same on my car Id like to fin a whole rear section just like i posted and go from there.the RTSI setup would be 100 times easyer to do because most people cut and weld and shorten the drive shafts and trailing arms. however if the stuff is made for the car that would cut nearly half the work.. it would just be cutting the old rear cross member. re mounting the gas tank and mount the awd crossmember with the factory specs... They also made 4wd integras so i would find out if you can find one of those im sure the wheel base is the same though. SUX to be in the US dont it??? lol

 

Good build.

 

I have been trying to track down a rear like yours for 4 months and so far no luck and i even got on some pen pal web site to try and meet people but no help soo if you could help or you know how i can get one for my eg i would probably give you my girl friend for it. j/k but you know what i mean

 

what is the trim designation for the awd integras? is it the xsi or something different?

 

Looks good. That is a lot of work though. Hopefully that thing launches like a ****

 

any helP???? finding one would be nice

 

Yes its XSI i found some one on HT has 4wd DAs both coupes. I dont know where in gods name he got them but he he lives in canada where its much easier to import cars up there.

I have no idea how you would get parts. for the RTSI Im not the one that did the swap, some guy in poland did and mostlikley got the parts from russia since thats where most of the grey market 4wd hondas go. There is an RTSI for sale on HT or was for a while. its a 92 i belive 4 door RTSI 5 speed with the super low. so basically 6 speed. he was asking 10 grand for it but its the only legalized RTSI in the USA at this point. In the long run it may be cheaper to just buy that one than actually trying to fabricate or have fabricated the parts for your car. Most people tho here use CRV parts and just modify them. Just type a search in on Honda Tech. there is a guy from NZ that has trailing arms and an Rtsi gas tank. you may find out from him how he got it.. it think all you ahve to have is the Honda part number and if your a baller like him you can order it brand new. he said he paid 1k NZD for the trailing arms.

 

Update if it help someone.
I found that the 88-91 wagovan trailing arm seem to be exactly the same as the RTSI.
Both have to be shortened, relocate the upper control arm position and relocate the lower control arm mounting place.
So I ordered both trailing arm from a wagovan and the crossmember. I will do bolting bracket to hold the crossmember in place.
One trailing arm and crossmember are BO but I receive one.
Here is how it look.


PS I have some pic of the crv differential if someone need. I found that the viscous coupler is in the diff on crv, and its a pump clutch system

 

I just receive my other trailing arm and my cross member today.
Bad pic but it show the clearance on my DC, and the 2 rear bolts align with the frame rails.

 

so lets get all this straight . the crv rear crossmember works so that it will bolt to my eg with out mod and the wago van rear trailing arms are not a direct fit and must be modified in 2 places? the reason i ask is because from what i have found you can buy the crv rear trailing arms and shorten and box frame them 36 mill and everything will bolt right up to an dc or an eg.

 

The crossmember I will use its not a crv crossmember ist an wagovan and it will not bolt on either crv and wagovan. The crv is a tube crossmember.
For the trailing arm both crv and wagovan need some modification but the wagovan one will do a better job.

 

nice

 

ok that clears things up more . so will the wagovans take the crv hubs inside the wagovan trailing arms? because i am using the rear out of the crv and the axels out of the crv, and will the rear from the crv bolt to the wagovan crossmember?

 

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