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Old Jan 27, 2009 | 07:53 PM
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Hello. I'm pretty new to working on and tuning cars and I have a question. I just bought a '95 Honda Accord coupe. I want to make it a little faster and more fun to drive.

I was told by some of my friends that it has a F22 in it but it also has a VETEC and I didn't think that F22s had VETEC.

I wanted to know if I should turbo the F22 or swap it for an H22.

The engine I have in it has over 200k miles on it but I have all the repair records since it was made and got a few mechanics and some of my honda savvy friends to check it out. All said the engine was in excellent condition.

But I don't know a lot about engines but I'm afraid I could seriously damage a motor with that many miles on it with it turboed.

Some my question is that should I turbo my f22 even though it has that many miles on it or just swap it for a h22.

Please don't get horribly technical because I;m still learning. But man, this is an awesome looking car.
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Old Jan 28, 2009 | 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Bradalath
Hello. I'm pretty new to working on and tuning cars and I have a question. I just bought a '95 Honda Accord coupe. I want to make it a little faster and more fun to drive.

I was told by some of my friends that it has a F22 in it but it also has a VETEC and I didn't think that F22s had VETEC.

I wanted to know if I should turbo the F22 or swap it for an H22.

The engine I have in it has over 200k miles on it but I have all the repair records since it was made and got a few mechanics and some of my honda savvy friends to check it out. All said the engine was in excellent condition.

But I don't know a lot about engines but I'm afraid I could seriously damage a motor with that many miles on it with it turboed.

Some my question is that should I turbo my f22 even though it has that many miles on it or just swap it for a h22.

Please don't get horribly technical because I;m still learning. But man, this is an awesome looking car.
First of all, going turbo is much more complicated than you think. First learn about your car and how a motor works before you get into any modifications. In America, "VTEC" is only on the EX models, which is engine code f22b1. If yours is an f22b2 it is non-vtec(Lx,Dx), you know where the engine code is right? Is it a 5spd?

Search is your friend now, there is tons of information about your car out there, so go search, and good luck.

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Old Jan 28, 2009 | 07:09 AM
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In America, "VTEC" is only on the EX models, which is engine code f22b2. If yours is an f22b1 it is non-vtec(Lx,Dx), you know where the engine code is right?
you have it backwards

F22B1 2.2L VTEC 94-97 Accord EX
F22B2 2.2L non-VTEC 94-97 Accord LX DX
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Old Jan 28, 2009 | 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by TouringAccord
you have it backwards

F22B1 2.2L VTEC 94-97 Accord EX
F22B2 2.2L non-VTEC 94-97 Accord LX DX
you beat me to it...
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Old Jan 28, 2009 | 07:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Bradalath
Hello. I'm pretty new to working on and tuning cars and I have a question. I just bought a '95 Honda Accord coupe. I want to make it a little faster and more fun to drive.

I was told by some of my friends that it has a F22 in it but it also has a VETEC and I didn't think that F22s had VETEC.

I wanted to know if I should turbo the F22 or swap it for an H22.

The engine I have in it has over 200k miles on it but I have all the repair records since it was made and got a few mechanics and some of my honda savvy friends to check it out. All said the engine was in excellent condition.

But I don't know a lot about engines but I'm afraid I could seriously damage a motor with that many miles on it with it turboed.

Some my question is that should I turbo my f22 even though it has that many miles on it or just swap it for a h22.

Please don't get horribly technical because I;m still learning. But man, this is an awesome looking car.
While everyone else straightens out what engine goes with what (Yes, The F22 came in both flavors), lets get on with your question.
Yes, both versions can be turbo'd. Depending on how judicious you are in beefing up the internals, will determine how much boost it will tolerate.
A healthy F22 will tolerate 7-8psi of boost and last quite well (thank you)
There are many threads and how to's thruout these forums so I would suggest reading up before you plop down your hard earned $$$

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Old Jan 28, 2009 | 07:50 AM
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Yeah, I do know turboing can be a little complicated but I have a plethora of mechanic/racing friends that is and will be helping me along the way. But it is a 5 speed VTEC and everyone I got to check it said it is in awesome condition despite the mileage. I just wasn't sure if it could handle the turbo for very long without messing my engine up.
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Old Jan 28, 2009 | 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Bradalath
Yeah, I do know turboing can be a little complicated but I have a plethora of mechanic/racing friends that is and will be helping me along the way. But it is a 5 speed VTEC and everyone I got to check it said it is in awesome condition despite the mileage. I just wasn't sure if it could handle the turbo for very long without messing my engine up.
Well, your racing friends should confirm that it's all about boost pressure and how (and when) it's applied. As I said earlier, a box stock F22 will tolerate 7 to 8 psi of boost; which usually equates out to about 200hp at the wheel. The 1979 4cyl Turbo Mustang made less.
Any more boost without internal upgrades will invite things such as
Crushed Piston Ring Lands
Burned / Holed Piston crowns
Bent Connecting rods.
Ventilated Engine Blocks

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Old Jan 29, 2009 | 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by TouringAccord
you have it backwards

F22B1 2.2L VTEC 94-97 Accord EX
F22B2 2.2L non-VTEC 94-97 Accord LX DX
FFFFFFF me! What's sad is i have a f22b1 lolol
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Old Jan 29, 2009 | 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by P_Adams
Well, your racing friends should confirm that it's all about boost pressure and how (and when) it's applied. As I said earlier, a box stock F22 will tolerate 7 to 8 psi of boost; which usually equates out to about 200hp at the wheel. The 1979 4cyl Turbo Mustang made less.
Any more boost without internal upgrades will invite things such as
Crushed Piston Ring Lands
Burned / Holed Piston crowns
Bent Connecting rods.
Ventilated Engine Blocks

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I think that is a little too broad to say they can handle 7-8 PSI. "7-8" PSI on a T-25 isn't "7-8" PSI on a GT30.
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Old Jan 29, 2009 | 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by awdgsx96
I think that is a little too broad to say they can handle 7-8 PSI. "7-8" PSI on a T-25 isn't "7-8" PSI on a GT30.
Well, for the sake of this discussion, I was limiting my observations based on commercially available kits; most of which are based on the Garrett T25 or the T25BB, sorry for my omission.

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Old Jan 30, 2009 | 09:01 AM
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Definately want to clarify what turbo your talking about when referencing pressure like that. For example I think of a basic 50 trim t3/t4 when I think of kits off the shelf as where you thought t25/ t28.

I think there are better ways to discuss the limits of a stock motor when generalizing about it. Rating a motor to a trq/ hp number seems to be a bit more reliable, keeping in mind these are generalizations and not definative across the board.

Anyways on to my point. Given a decent motor (compression/ leakdown test look good, maintained, etc) with a properly done turbo setup, appropriate fuel system, management, and a quality tune (very important you have it tune by someone who knows what their doing)... you could put down 200-250whp and equal torque reliably imo. If you want to push more than that, I would add some headstuds just as a precaution.

Just to note, I made 335whp 279ft lbs of torque on a 60-1 turbo/ custom setup through a totally stock f22b1 motor. oem head bolts and all. The thing that stoped me there was being out of the oem map sensors range and maxed out the injector I was running.

The weak point of the f22 is the ring landings and head lifting when you get the cyl pressures up there with a good bit of boost and/ or timing... also you dont want to get crazy trying to turn big rpm on a stock block cause you will run into oiling issues at some point from what I have seen.
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