So if i run 5 psi of boost on an f23a1 (ive got it sitting pretty with i/h/e + nology wires + plugs right now).. what am i looking at for hp numbers? ballpark works fine with me.. id like to think 210-220, but just an assumption..?

could i get to 200 for the same amount of money NA as i could going FI?

 

The only real way to find out is to dyno it

 

well yeah.. but unfortunatley im in the middle of nowhere right now. lol.

 

Boosting with an intake and header, huh? I bet those plugs and wires are going to make or break it.

But in all seriousness, it depends on the turbo itself. 5 psi on a T25 is nowhere near the same as 5 psi on a T88. What turbo would you be using?

 

would you rather me boost something stock..? that sounds like a good idea.

t25 most likeley.. just looking for some more power.. nothing extreme.

 

you act like there's another method to find out.

 

You don't have a header with a turbo...... Which is what he was getting at.

 

Sounds to me like people just need more info on your car. If your F23 isn't that built like you say, you MIGHT make around 200 (at the crank). However it also depends on whether you have a good tuner. I honestly haven't been around too many F23's with basic turbo setups, so I could be wrong. Just my opinion.

 

at 5.8psi i made 142whp on a conservative load dyno with a t3 super 60. Unfortunately, you can't use your header or plugs.

 

you made less then stock hp? uh.. how?



and yes, i understand that when you turbo a car the intake and headers are replaced.. i meant it to read, this is what i have done to my car.. what will running a 5 psi turbo set up get me.

 

so say i wanted a 225-250 hp build.. whats the best route? ive looked around and i see the only S/C kit is for the J series..

 

Lol, I think you have more research to do. Your car will lose HP as it gets older and the advertised HP is not the WHP which is what he's stating.

The 140hp quoted is what the motor makes prior to it getting to the wheels. In actuality you're putting down maybe 115-120 when you first get it and only goes down from there unless it's kept in excellent condition but you still are losing it.

 

Read the FI forum.

 

x Eleventy. Sounds like you don't really know what you're getting into.

You should probably read through the FAQs in the Forced Induction forum: https://honda-tech.com/forums/forced-induction-16/

 

For each Pound you run look at seeing anywhere from 7 - 12 hp per pound. It just depends on the Turbo, turbo trim, tune, type of gas and the motor which is boosted.

Your intake will not be of service anymore. That will be replaced by intercooler piping coming from the intercooler which cools the charged air down.

Your header will not be of service anymore aswell. You header will be replaced by a "turbo manifold". The turbo manifold hold the compressor and the turbo.

As for plugs/wires......Im boosted and have had the best success with OEM/NGK`s.

You havnt even said anything about tuning. What do you plan to do there?

Id say at most on 5 pounds.......................160 maybe 170hp.

You need to do ALOT more research my friend. You have no clue of what you want to do or how you are going to get there. Read up.

 

lol i am making plenty of power over stock. the tuner at my dyno says his dyno would have registered my car at 90whp or lower.

 

The only FI ive ever interacted with was Supercharged, and from the research ive done, there is no apparent S/C for the f23a1.. i know about the turbo manifold and intercooler tubing.. this isnt news to me..

thanks for trying.

 

I undertsand that cars lose hp as there older lmfao. and i understand that theres a loss of hp between the crank and the wheels. I origanolly posted saying hp in general.. referring to the crank. when he responded i didnt notice he responded in WHP as opposed to crank hp.

I asked the question whats the best build for 220~ hp because im interested in wheather you can make that on an NA build, or whether it would have to be FI..

 

ooooh i wanna play. get an electric turbo off ebay and like 20 vtec stickers. easily 220 hp brosif.


on a more serious note. depends what you wanna get into. sure you can throw .63 t3/t4 turbo on your car, have it tuned.. and then cry when it blows up in 1000 miles.. you could build it a bit, new pistons, rods, rings, ect.. and get some head work done like a cam and valves. what im trying to get at is, you're not giving enough info on what you want to spend or how much work you want to put into it to achieve 220 hp. when my car is all said and done i will be around 270-280whp.. or 320 so hp. its not THAT hard to get to, with money and the knowledge. I researched and still do for 2 years now, piecing together everything i want. and its alot easier to get higher hp numbers with FI then N/A.. though it may not be as reliable unless you're willing to drop the cash.

 

brosif... wow.

 

Any power goal is attainable, Its all up to your budget... 220whp is an easy goal to hit with a basic turbo kit (on a healthy motor). Dyno tune with a reputable tuner and you'll be just fine.

Just remember, you can only pick 2 out of the 3.

cheap/fast/reliable.

 

haha this reminds me of a sign hung in my tattoo artists shop.. except its good/cheap/fast

id assume my motors healthy.. ive only got 52,000 miles on it after all.

 

i hear the way it works is one vtec sticker = 8 hp right? that should give me an extra 160hp, plus the 340 of the ebay electric turbo. damn id be making 620+ WHP.

on a serious note, research is easier said then done when theres knowledge to be gained about your car. Finding modding info on my CL isnt nearly as easy as finding it for an Accord.( im not saying theres nothign out there.. but the majority of the stuff that is is either for the Cl type-s or the CL3.0)

Seeing as i have a CL2.3 i figured id ask people here, and since theres no CL forum to be found, i figured id ask accord drivers.

Id expect to pay 2,000 for a simple turbo set up.. sound about right?

 

yesr for the kit, i mean still will need tuneing and all that but sure.

 

Well, depending on year, the CL and accord share most of its parts. SO most things (power wise) applied to an accord chassis can also be applied to a CL platform (including things like suspension)

But seriously though, I don't think you know as much as you think. Do some research and READ!! Go buy that book by Corky Bell called Maximum Boost and have at it.

I think you have ALOT to learn (and dont take it to offense)

Here is a start

https://honda-tech.com/forums/forced-induction-16/%2A%2A%2Aforced-induction-forum-faq%2A%2A%2A-1024174/

That will help you figure things out like:

How to tap your oil pan for the turbo drain (including tap size, etc)
If the turbo your getting is both water and/or oil cooled
Where to run your cooling lines for the turbo coolant
How to read compressor maps and what A/R means
Manifold options


Plus loads more. A ton of info which it seems you dont know much about (and trust me, its these small details that no one thinks of that spells disaster)

G/L