Currently my ride height is set at 12.5" hub to fender. I removed the spring and raised the knuckle until it contacts my upper shock tower and my hub to fender distance is 10". At full droop, my hub to fender distance is 15". So basically I'm right in the middle of available suspension travel.

Also the welded blob on the strut shaft (koni sport) to the top of the shock body, there is about 3.75" of shaft exposed. So given a motion ration of .7:1 (shock/spring:wheel), that's about 5.3" inches of travel.

So basically the shock piston at ride height is about centered and I have equal travel up and down. The question is should I bias the suspension so I have more compression stroke than droop or is centered best?

As a side note, I also need to look for longer bumpstops so I'm not smacking my UCA into the shock tower.

Chassis info: 93 Honda Civic Hatch
Suspension info: Koni sports w/ GC (450F, 500R 8" Eibach springs), GC top hats front

 

Do you have shortened Konis or something? My 8041-1152 have almost 5" of stroke.
This notion of biasing is kind of funny, given your constraints. The compression bias point should be set so that you don't top out the shock at full compression. Any more beyond that point, and it doesn't matter for compression, but you are reducing droop travel.

For rebound bias point, ideally you would set it so that at full droop the springs are just about to come loose, but not yet. That allows you to adjust the ride height most easily.

In any case, what things are you willing to change the achieve this bias?

 

I'm running the Neuspeed Konis. I think they have 5 circlips spots instead of 3 but that's it. They aren't shortened as far as I know.

At full droop, there's just a little bit a preload on the spring so I think I'm good there on the fronts at least. On the rears at full droop, the springs hangs loose about an inch or so.

Well right now my UCA sits my shock tower before I hit my bump stop so I don't think I'm topping out the suspension unless the suspension bottoms out before the welded nut.

BTW I measued my stroke with the shock just sitting there. Does the gas pressure push the piston all the way out. I tried pulling it up more but I couldn't so I figured that was the limit.

 

neuspeed is shortened 20mm

 

You should NOT run GC's top hats with Neuspeed's Koni Sport shocks with the shortened shaft. That combo limits your suspension droop travel pretty severely. I would highly suggest putting the stock top mounts back on with those Neuspeed Koni shocks.

 

That's more or less my question. I currently have 2.5" of droop travel and an equal amount of compresssion travel. How much droop travel do I need? The shock piston is basically centered in the shock.

Also at full droop, there is just a tiny amount of preload on the spring. According to all the posts I've read, there is no need to have suspension droop past the point where the spring unseats since it basically never occurs unless you're jumping stuff.

 

The less droop travel you have, the more likely you are to lift an inside wheel around hard corners. Less rubber on the ground = less overall grip = bad.

 

You have it set correctly, then

 

I don't understand your logic. You're saying I need more droop travel so my spring unseats during cornering. If the spring unseats, how much grip is being generated? Isn't the normal force basically zero?

 

There is still grip if the tire is still on the road. If one tire lifts, then you only have the traction from 3 tires instead of 4.

 

Ok, based upon searches the Neuspeed koni's do not have a shortened shaft. Just a droop limiter.

https://honda-tech.com/forums/showth...=neuspeed+koni

 

http://www.neuspeed.com/catalog/1Suspension.pdf Page 9

Footnote says Neuspeed Koni Sport SP3 shocks for Integras have a 20mm shorter shaft. Is that a false statement?