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Old Jan 13, 2009 | 01:04 AM
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So i can get my hands on some Dropzone springs (2.5f/2.25r) for 99$

thing is.. ive never used Dropzone springs and i dont know much about them... i can get some Eibach sportlines for 260$ and i know you generally get what you pay for. but im still wondering what the deal with these dropzones is.

they any good? how stiff is the ride? i couldnt care less about ride comfort.. looking for something tight and to close up my damn wheel gap.
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Old Jan 13, 2009 | 04:15 AM
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Originally Posted by ShadowBar
So i can get my hands on some Dropzone springs (2.5f/2.25r) for 99$

thing is.. ive never used Dropzone springs and i dont know much about them... i can get some Eibach sportlines for 260$ and i know you generally get what you pay for. but im still wondering what the deal with these dropzones is.

they any good? how stiff is the ride? i couldnt care less about ride comfort.. looking for something tight and to close up my damn wheel gap.
Personally, I'd run the other way.
I would certainly not put my life on the line for springs selling for 25.00$ each. They probably cost 14.00$ to make!!
They're probably made from compressed Ramen Noodles

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Old Jan 13, 2009 | 06:03 AM
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Sportlines should be much cheaper than that, Ground Control Coilovers are about $300 shipped. I waited and spent $$ on suspension and have not had to spend another dime on it since. I'd recommend that path for most people.
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Old Jan 13, 2009 | 06:34 AM
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I would go with something a little more quality than dropzones personally. You can get H&R, Eibachs, and even Tein springs for a reasonable price if you shop around. Those dropzones will probably end up sagging on you, giving you a hammer out ride on springs that are about collapsed... ride quality is naturally going to suck.

I wanna say I payed just at 200 or a tad more for my sportlines through a local shop. H&R I know can be had cheaper. Tein is closer to around what you pay for Eibach.

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Old Jan 13, 2009 | 06:53 AM
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Those dropzones will probably end up sagging on you, giving you a hammer out ride on springs that are about collapsed... ride quality is naturally going to suck.
They definitely will sag. You'll be low as sh-t, but it will look and feel like you cut your springs or bought ebay sleeves.
You already know what the good brands are, pick the one that offers the spring rate and drop you want and go that route. If you're just looking to eliminate fender gap and tighten up the ride a bit, I'd go with S-Tech's.
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Old Jan 13, 2009 | 08:50 AM
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I have been running GR2's with dropzone springs for 2 years now and the ride is not as bad as this thread makes it seem. Though its not perfect, it is still an upgrade in the sense that the ride is stiffer than stock but not as stiff as some might want but for a DD they are fine. My only issue is that i want it a little stiffer and that can be acheived by upgrading to agx's. The ride is not bumpy and i almost never bottom out.

I am still a noob so i speak off of experiences not facts.
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Old Jan 13, 2009 | 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by mark2583
I have been running GR2's with dropzone springs for 2 years now and the ride is not as bad as this thread makes it seem. Though its not perfect, it is still an upgrade in the sense that the ride is stiffer than stock but not as stiff as some might want but for a DD they are fine. My only issue is that i want it a little stiffer and that can be acheived by upgrading to agx's. The ride is not bumpy and i almost never bottom out.

I am still a noob so i speak off of experiences not facts.

That is correct to an extent.

KYB GR-2's are OEM equivalents so you're getting a near stock performance out of them. They won't last as long as one made to take a beating from lowering.

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They were on my car when I purchased it from another guy paired with I believe Goldline springs. The ride wasn't horrible but it would bottom out on a regular basis. I quickly swapped my Koni/GC setup from my other Accord to it.
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Old Jan 13, 2009 | 09:51 AM
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Stay away from dropzone's.. I had a set originally on my 2dr coupe with some AGX struts... and the weight of the car crushed the springs... literally!..

Sportlines or ground controls all the way
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Old Jan 13, 2009 | 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by hondaracer93
Stay away from dropzone's.. I had a set originally on my 2dr coupe with some AGX struts... and the weight of the car crushed the springs... literally!..

Sportlines or ground controls all the way
What I suspected.

Anyone can wind a spring steel coil, but the production cost is in the heat treating. This is obviously where the shortfall occured.
Probably a Taiwanes foundry knocking off a production run of private label spring sets. Obviously the 'burning pile of dung' heat treating process wasn't up to snuff.
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Old Jan 13, 2009 | 01:50 PM
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alright thanks everyone.. just as i expected. you never know though.. some of the best things ive bought have been cheap from companies who are either just starting up and trying to make a name for themselves. then again dropzones been around for years.

You say those eibachs are over priced? Granted i should probably say i have a CL2.3 and not an Accord.. not sure if theres much of a suspension difference between the two as the whole honda/acura scene is new to me..

anyone have links to above mentioned reccomendations?
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Old Jan 13, 2009 | 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by ShadowBar
alright thanks everyone.. just as i expected. you never know though.. some of the best things ive bought have been cheap from companies who are either just starting up and trying to make a name for themselves. then again dropzones been around for years.

You say those eibachs are over priced? Granted i should probably say i have a CL2.3 and not an Accord.. not sure if theres much of a suspension difference between the two as the whole honda/acura scene is new to me..

anyone have links to above mentioned reccomendations?
www.tasauto.com Has a few different options on their site under "suspension"(lol). The item on their site are quality or they would not list them on the site being as they are a good reliable ACCORD only site. The CL`s Suspension is based off of the ACCORDS, I am not sure what parts are the same and what is not because I dont own a CL though.
All of the setups mentioned in the thread are not found on the TAS website but, you can do some of you own research as well. Type in the name of the setup + year/make/model in the "google" search bar that you want. Would you like to be spoon fed, or grind on your own time?

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Old Jan 13, 2009 | 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Brad_and_the_acc
www.tasauto.com Has a few different options on their site under "suspension"(lol).
All of the setups mentioned in the thread are not found on the TAS website but, you can do some of you own research as well. Type in the name of the setup in the "google" search bar that you want. Would you like to be spoon fed, or grind on your own time?
heres an idea. go **** yourself. you think i havent done research on my own? the link to tasauto would have been enough and i woulda been on my merry way. not to mention typing 3 letters into google brings up endless results.

Short of ebay and a couple of random websites.. there isnt much of an aftermarket for cl's..

So thankyou for answering one of my questions. since you apparently know everything.. and i apparently need to be spoonfed. would you like to enlighten me as to whether or not the 98 accord and the 98 cl2.3 share the same suspension?
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Old Jan 13, 2009 | 02:19 PM
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wow........
Damn kid, dont get your skibbies in a bunch.
The only reason I said "spoon fed" is because you asked for a site on how to get to say "TEIN". Well I would assume...........Its www.tein.com
I am right, Ill be damned.
The only thing I am saying is, we would have so many less dumbass thread on topics that have been covered over and over again.

ACURA (??) CL YA1
U.S.A. 96-00 S.TECH TEIN U.S.A.,INC. SKB08-AUB00 USD 340
HONDA (??) ACCORD CG1
U.S.A. 98-02 S.TECH TEIN U.S.A.,INC. SKH94-AUB00 USD 340

Part # is almost the same.

You know they have a # on their web site if you would like ME to call for YOU?
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Old Jan 13, 2009 | 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Brad_and_the_acc
wow........
Damn kid, dont get your skibbies in a bunch.
The only reason I said "spoon fed" is because you asked for a site on how to get to say "TEIN". Well I would assume...........Its www.tein.com
I am right, Ill be damned.
The only thing I am saying is, we would have so many less dumbass thread on topics that have been covered over and over again.

ACURA (??) CL YA1
U.S.A. 96-00 S.TECH TEIN U.S.A.,INC. SKB08-AUB00 USD 340
HONDA (??) ACCORD CG1
U.S.A. 98-02 S.TECH TEIN U.S.A.,INC. SKH94-AUB00 USD 340

Part # is almost the same.

You know they have a # on their web site if you would like ME to call for YOU?
So the part numbers are almost the same. You know what almost the same gets you? a hooker with a *****. Its almost the same as a female hooker.

Ive ordered parts before because i thought the application was the same.. good example.. the window switch on an 89 mr2. my passenger side wouldnt work.. i had an S/C and figured that the difference between the S/C and the base was non existent. turns out.. it Almost fit but was a waste of time and money in the end.

your right, I could easily call tein.. but i sit here and look at this forum and the ridiculous amount of knowledge its users posses and i think. gee, maybe ill ask the smart guys who are actually passionate and knowledgeable about their cars rather then the monotone voice of the 9-5 employee who couldnt give two ****'s about my 98 CL or myself.
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Old Jan 13, 2009 | 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by P_Adams
What I suspected.

Anyone can wind a spring steel coil, but the production cost is in the heat treating. This is obviously where the shortfall occured.
Probably a Taiwanes foundry knocking off a production run of private label spring sets. Obviously the 'burning pile of dung' heat treating process wasn't up to snuff.
A large portion of the cost is also in R&D. Eibach (and other quality brands) actually tests their springs on the car. They try different heights and spring rates and actually drive the car with their springs installed. The knockoff and no-name companies do like you said, they just wind some steel rod into a coil spring. Granted they probably pick a desired spring rate first, but I doubt it's based on any research. Or I might be giving them too much credit, who knows?

To the OP: You can buy junk springs over and over or you can buy a quality set once. I know it's tempting to "save" a bunch of money and buy the cheap stuff, but trust the advice of people who have been there and learned. Spend the extra money for a quality part and you'll be glad you did.
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Old Jan 13, 2009 | 03:54 PM
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A large portion of the cost is also in R&D. Eibach (and other quality brands) actually tests their springs on the car. They try different heights and spring rates and actually drive the car with their springs installed. The knockoff and no-name companies do like you said, they just wind some steel rod into a coil spring. Granted they probably pick a desired spring rate first, but I doubt it's based on any research. Or I might be giving them too much credit, who knows?

To the OP: You can buy junk springs over and over or you can buy a quality set once. I know it's tempting to "save" a bunch of money and buy the cheap stuff, but trust the advice of people who have been there and learned. Spend the extra money for a quality part and you'll be glad you did.
yeah.. now its just deciding which to spend the money on lol

So far ive heard Tein and Eibach a couple of times.. any word on Skunk2? i thought there specialty was Honda//Acura?
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Old Jan 13, 2009 | 04:14 PM
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I bought them because the spring rates were very close to GC. I have AGX struts and they ride fine IMO. Not as good as a quality full coilover, but for the price and way it handles it's great.

I like them, but definitly you will not like them if you don't upgrade your struts. If you just get the coilovers and do not get stiffer struts you'll probably be bouncing around due to the stiffer than stock spring rates.
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Old Jan 14, 2009 | 05:00 AM
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I put Tein H-Techs on my wifes 94 Accord and they ride great. For most people (including me) they are too soft, but my wife loves the ride. If you go with Tein get the S-Tech.

I haven't run Eibachs myself, but I've been in cars with them and they always ride great. Not too soft and not to stiff.

I've never used or been in a car with Skunk2 springs. I have used some of their other parts and they are always quality parts.

No matter who you go with buy a good set of shocks.
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Old Jan 14, 2009 | 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by ShadowBar
yeah.. now its just deciding which to spend the money on lol

So far ive heard Tein and Eibach a couple of times.. any word on Skunk2? i thought there specialty was Honda//Acura?
I have SKUNK2`s on my car now. 2in drop all the way around and the SKUNK2 sport struts.
But what works incredible for me some say is garbage. I love my SKUNK setup and wouldnt trade it for the world. But others feel different. Its opinion, thats what it comes down to.

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Old Jan 14, 2009 | 03:07 PM
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So the part numbers are almost the same. You know what almost the same gets you? a hooker with a *****. Its almost the same as a female hooker.
ha ha now that is sig material
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Old Jan 14, 2009 | 07:23 PM
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sportlines ! i have them with stock shocks on my 6th gen. lol.


on my 17's a long time ago.


on my custom 15's. lmao. most up to date if you wanna see the drop.
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Old Jan 15, 2009 | 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by NeKe1point0
ha ha now that is sig material
ahahah glad to be of service
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Old Jan 15, 2009 | 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by aznpridelivin2o3_cg5
sportlines ! i have them with stock shocks on my 6th gen. lol.


on my 17's a long time ago.

i think ill end up going with the sportlines.. thanks everyone for your input ive used eibach before and i trust them.. but 260 is too much? i thought it was pretty cheap. but then again after owning a BMW and an Audi everythings cheap. what should i be paying?


by the way..
dont have a picture off hand.. best i can do, but what im looking to close up

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Old Jan 15, 2009 | 12:30 PM
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Check out modacar.com they have good deals on sportlines.$260 is way too much for them.
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Old Jan 15, 2009 | 05:11 PM
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ahh 199. much better haha

now another question.. will i need a caster//camber kit?
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