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Old Jan 1, 2009 | 05:42 PM
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okay, so i was driving down the highway and i gave it a some gas. when i shifted to third, it wouldn't go in so i missed that gear and the car redlined.

when the car got down to a slower speed, i tried putting it in 3rd gear, but it wouldn't go. so i pull over to the side of the road and try to put it in 1st gear, but it won't go in that gear either. i tried all other gears and it wouldn't go in.

i turned off the car and the tranny went in every gear smoothly. i then turned back on the car, but then it wouldn't go into any gear again.

i got the car home and checked the fluid and saw there very little to none in there. i put some fluid in there and open the valve on the cylinder and fluid started coming out. a friend and i bleed the clutch a few times and everything feels normal. i have pressure with the car on and off, but with the car on, i can't put the car into gear. it will still go into gear just fine with the car off. the clutch pedal doesn't stick to the floor, i don't see any leaks from the clutch or slave cylinder.

i had recently noticed i would hear some kind of squeaking sometimes when i'm driving. i thought it was coming from one of the tires, maybe the dust shield rubbing against the rotor or something. could this noise have been coming from the throwing out bearing or something? i'm wondering if my throwout bearing is bad and thats the reason i can't get the car into gear when its on.

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Old Jan 1, 2009 | 05:46 PM
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If you never notice your clutch slipping and now its not going into gear then it's probably the throw out bearing.
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Old Jan 1, 2009 | 05:57 PM
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the clutch was never slipping. just put the clutch in like 3 months ago and i don't rag this car out.

update: i just went and looked under the dash at the top of the clutch pedal and i noticed that it is wet and my carpet is a little wet under the pedal as well. looks like i need a new clutch cylinder. would this little leak cause me not to be able to put the car in gear when its on? i'm getting pressure just fine at the pedal.
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Old Jan 1, 2009 | 06:00 PM
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it probably could
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Old Jan 1, 2009 | 06:15 PM
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i would think since it looks like a very small leak and the clutch pedal still has a lot of pressure, that wouldn't be a problem right now, but i could be wrong.
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Old Jan 2, 2009 | 03:11 AM
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anyone elses thoughts
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Old Jan 2, 2009 | 04:16 AM
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Replace your clutch slave and master cylinder, you're going to have to do it anyway. You probably still have some air stuck in there or the slave is shot and that's why it's not working.
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Old Jan 2, 2009 | 06:17 AM
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Replace the slave and master cylinder and to answer your question the pedal can still feel like its got pressure to it and not opperate the clutch. It all depends on how bad the leak is and what seals have failed in master cylinder
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Old Jan 2, 2009 | 06:30 AM
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the slave cylinder looks fine. no leaks or anything like that. when i push in the clutch, the fork does move, but i'm not sure how much its supposed to move.

when i put more fluid in the resevoir for the CMC , i did notice some like black stuff come up, dirt perhaps.. dunno.
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Old Jan 2, 2009 | 07:00 AM
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Most likely you blew something in the clutch out. If you push on the clutch pedal and it's moving the fork then you're fine there but if it won't let you into any gear when it's running then I'm guessing you blew the clutch out. You sure the new clutch was installed correctly?
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Old Jan 2, 2009 | 07:22 AM
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yes, the clutch was installed correctly. i've been driving the car for a couple of months already with no problems.

i think when the car is on, you can hear a light little rattle coming from the tranny, but i will have to check again to make sure later today.


my buddy pushed down the clutch pedal and the fork was moving. i can move the fork with my hand and it moves back into its original position when i let go.

i think the clutch pedal may feel a little harder than normal.
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Old Jan 2, 2009 | 07:33 AM
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My guess is its the master cylinder. Or your throw out bearing. Since your hearing rattling.
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Old Jan 2, 2009 | 07:41 AM
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i know the master cylinder has a little leak, but i thought when it was bad, like enough to effect anything, the clutch pedal would feel soft or stay almost to the floor?

my clutch pedal doesn't feel soft.
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Old Jan 2, 2009 | 07:42 AM
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anyone else want to guess or should he just fix the OBVIOUS problem??? I'll never understand why people ignore the truth and wait for what they want to hear.
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Old Jan 2, 2009 | 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by 00Red_SiR
anyone else want to guess or should he just fix the OBVIOUS problem??? I'll never understand why people ignore the truth and wait for what they want to hear.

why would you suggest changing the slave cylinder? it works fine and there is no leaking coming from it. i would understand that CMC cause there is a small leak, but it just doesn't seem like its enough to keep the tranny from going into gear.

do you have a better explanation of how the CMC works? my clutch pedal still feels strong, although maybe a little harder than it was. when i push in the clutch pedal, the fork still moves by the slave cylinder. is the possiblity there that with the leak coming from the CMC, it wouldn't allow enough pressure to engage the clutch fully? i mean even though the fork is moving when i engage the clutch pedal, maybe its not engaging enough... dunno. thats why i'm trying to understand.

from what i've read in other peoples post, when they have a CMC problem, there clutch pedal is soft and smushy.
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Old Jan 2, 2009 | 08:57 AM
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Ok, forget what you read in other peoples' posts.

When your CMC leaks because it's old and worn out, you HAVE a CMC problem period and need to replace it. Forget pedal feel etc, it's done. When you replace your CMC you should always replace your slave as well since it's probably loaded with dirt and still has some air trapped in the line preventing it from working properly.

You already know the clutch was working perfectly before the CMC leaked and stopped working. Filling the CMC is not going to fix the problem. Replace the respective parts, beause you need to anyway and see what happens. If you sill have a problem (I doubt you will) then you can come back and ask more questions.
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Old Jan 2, 2009 | 10:02 AM
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called the autoparts store:

CMC = 70.99
SC = 13.00 or something like that
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Old Jan 2, 2009 | 11:18 AM
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also if the CMC is leaking that means its letting air back in which could be causing some funky problems for you. its really easy to replace. really OP you need to fix what's wrong with your car in order to diagnose it.

if the clutch worked fine before the CMC started leaking i would go from there... and if it's still acting up i would check the shift linkage and then lastly check the TO bearing.
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Old Jan 2, 2009 | 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by dividedas1
also if the CMC is leaking that means its letting air back in which could be causing some funky problems for you. its really easy to replace. really OP you need to fix what's wrong with your car in order to diagnose it.

if the clutch worked fine before the CMC started leaking i would go from there... and if it's still acting up i would check the shift linkage and then lastly check the TO bearing.
i'm about to go buy a CMC and install it. i will post results later.
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Old Jan 2, 2009 | 12:44 PM
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, if you got good pressure, the problem is not in the hydraulic part, it's the mechanical part. You going to have to drop your tranny, you'll easily see whats wrong then. I'm pretty sure it's something with the throwout bearing. If the master is leaking, you should get it replace but it's not the root of your problem in this situation.
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Old Jan 2, 2009 | 02:13 PM
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^^^ exactly what i was thinking.

i replaced the CMC and just as i thought, it didn't fix the problem.

time to drop the tranny.
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Old Jan 2, 2009 | 02:20 PM
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Good luck, keep us updated.
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Old Jan 2, 2009 | 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by boostedeghatch
^^^ exactly what i was thinking.

i replaced the CMC and just as i thought, it didn't fix the problem.

time to drop the tranny.
Currently having the same symptoms you are having man. Clutch pedal has pressure just like you. CMS seems fine, no leaks (even though you had a small one). Bled the system anyways. Didn't solve it. Only difference is that I can get into gear while driving, but it's getting worse and I can't always get into gear. With the car off it is fine. I am going to be replacing the clutch and throwout bearing in a few weeks. Let me know what your results are when you drop the tranny.
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Old Jan 2, 2009 | 05:32 PM
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I had the same problem about 2 months ago. Was sittin at a stoplight and all the sudden i couldnt put the shifter into first with the motor running. had to turn it off and start the car with it in first gear (great for the car) anawys youre gonna have to throw a new clutch in, the throw out bearing was shot and the splines were bad on mine
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Old Jan 2, 2009 | 07:32 PM
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Like I said, if the pedal is stiff and the fork is moving in and out properly it's not the hydraulic system that's to blame. If you push in the pedal and the fork is moving obviously then your CMC or SC is not to blame for the problem. Drop the tranny and you'll find your problem easily. Either you have a failed throwout bearing, pressure plate, or disc most likely.
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