i'm currently running the msd sport compact ignition box on my car with a external msd coil and cap. it works ok but whne i got my car tunned the tuner told me to try something diff because the msd tends to break up in high RPMs he suggested the M&W PRO10 wich i was looking into but does anyone know if there is something similar to the M&W or better my car currently makes 745WHP@31psi i'm goin for a re-tune to run about 40ishPSI

 

The Pro 10 is your best bet unless you have a computer capable of running a COP setup (AEM or Motec)

 

Tony is right

 

'm running hondata so i guess i'll just go with the pro 10... whats the average price for the ignition setup

 

I thought I had I heard somebody was able to go COP with hondata. I want to say Joe Simpson.

I maybe wrong though.

 

10-4 m&w ftw

 

I'm running the Pro-10 w/ the T1 harness. Has worked great w/ 600+ whp. J

 

Hey Tony, why do you believe the M&W pro 10 is a better setup than say a MSD 75314 with an HVC 2 coil. What are the advantages that you've seen? We use the msd setup on both of our cars and haven't had an issue.

 

If I was running a Motec I would use the the M&W stuff hands down. Motec has so many damn options you dont need an ignition box to do much accept to be powerfull.

We need to thank Tony for finding/testing awesome parts like M&W.

I wish AEM software had some of the things MoTec has. I just cant spend another 4 grand + on a damn honda. lol. No offence to anyone.

I run the MSD 75314 really only for its software. Paired up with the Hondata it works damn well.

 

Bull ****ing ****. MSD **** has and CAN turn the rpms. Unless you were turning upwards of 13,000 rpm, then maybe msd wouldn't be that great for you. Leave your **** alone. **** your tuner.

Dude, just forget he even told you that.

 

We use it with the DFI and the Motec. Just wondering what the differences are.

 

the fastest drag cars in the world use MSD !

 

I have run both the m&w and msd stuff and both have worked great. The msd 8 that i currently have in the car has never skipped a beat. I believe the 8 box is 315mj's, which is rediculous.

 

MSD's high end boxes are decent, but at that point you're paying the price for them. The Pro 10 and the regular Digital 7 are similar, though the Pro 10 is about half the size and weight. The Programmable 7 is priced where the multi channel M&W ignition boxes are and at that point, i'd much rather have a 4 channel ignition system and not have to worry about a distributor, cap, rotor, plug wires, etc.

The Pro 10 with a Hondata allows you to bypass the ignitor as well, which we all know is a common failure point.

Dave, you are correct, but you don't see the 6 series garbage on the fastest drag cars in the world.

Really, think about it, why is there such a big price difference between a digital 6 and digital 7? About double the price. Tell me there's not a quality difference between the two.

As far as the programmable 7, there's definitely some advantages to it. If you don't have a capable computer and are willing to put in the time to make it work, it may be a good route. If you have a Motec and you're trying to take advantage of the programmable 7, you shouldn't be, the Motec can do it all with any ignition box.

Or you could be like Miller and throw the whole MSD catalog at your car and be 80lbs overweight. j/k

 

lol, I have alot of msd stuff in my car. Between the 8 box, 7531 box, capacitor, engine saver, distributor, and coil.

 

Engine saver. lol Nice name for a rev limiter.

Just checked the specs, the MSD 8 is 7lbs and draws 36amps at 12k rpm. lol That's freaking ridiculous!

 

I have like 40lbs of msd stuff in my car, between that the bs3 stuff there is all my weight. I am gonna put back a hondata and stock ignition in my car and run a .001 plug gap and call it a day.

 

His tuner is spot on knucklehead. Its not rpm its spark blowing out at high rpm. Hes just telling him to get something more powerful.

 

Lol, i tune his car. I have used MSD on all our drag cars in the past, but not the analog msd crap. You absolutely cannot even compare the quality on the analog boxes and coils to the Digital 7s and HCV II coils. Not even close. I have nothing but problems with the cheaper analog 6 series stuff and coils. I have YET to have a single issue with ANY digital 7 box. I simply suggested the M&W pro 10 because i doubt he is looking to spend the money on a 7531 or 75314 box, and have to figure out how to set everything up. I would rather have a reliable ignition on my car or customers car, than have to waste time and money replacing parts and missing racing.

I NEVER told him that msd cannot handle high rpm. When the cheaper coils start going bad they tend to misfire at high rpms, but often times run fine at lower rpms/idle.

 

as crazy as it sounds im going to agree with tony and jeff on this haha. ive never had an issue with a digital msd box, however with the typical 6 series stuff i have seen all kinds of problems, especially with the coils going bad.


to me, the pro10 is worth its weight in gold because you can eliminate the ignitor. we had a car on the dyno a while back that had a crazy missfire at 6k rpm....the car would not pull past it at all. we simply installed a pro10 kit, the car reved to 10,500 with out any sort of a miss or anything, still using the same distributor.

i found out the hard way that the msd distributor does not work very well on a high reving car with hondata as well. more or less if you want an ignition around here and your on an oem computer based managment, the pro10 is the only option

 

i guess i have one of those mid week made 6al's, knock on wood it has been in my car since 01. now the coil is a little different. i am on my 2nd coil.

 

never meant to cause an argument i was just trying to get an input i know the ignition box i have is nothing special but its what i had at the time i'm deff upgrading just wanted to see what everyone uses....sry for the confusion

 

No confusion, just discussion. Most people don't have the opportunity to experience and test many different things. I think you'll find that most tuners have similar opinions on things because they're based off of seeing what works well and what doesn't time and time again.

Nothing bad, but guys like Boostedcivicsir base their opinion on personal experiences. Again, absolutely nothing wrong with that.

When you are talking about a part that has common problems, the tuners are likely to experience it more than a single user simply because they work with this stuff more often.

 

 

can someone verify that a person on this board was able to use cop with hondata?