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Old Dec 22, 2008 | 11:00 PM
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Default pro 1's or stock 97 spec itr cams?

my car is torn down for the winter and i can get a set of skunk2 pro1's pretty cheep. i know the only real way to tell if im going to benefit from the cams is on the dyno but i dont want to change the cams out after the car is back together. i currently have 97 itr cams in my car now. this is the setup.
Benson sleeved b18c1 .. 83mm cp pistons - eagle rods 3/8 bolts - p72 head - 97 spec itr cams - freera springs retainers and 1mm oversize valves - jg elelbrock mani with bbk 70mm t/b full-race twin scroll with borg s366xl. i dont want to waste money and time if they are not going to help much over the itr's. they will be degreed to tdc. thanks for any help
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Old Dec 23, 2008 | 01:35 AM
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Pro 1's hands down, especially with that turbo. Some say you will spool faster as well.
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Old Dec 23, 2008 | 03:48 AM
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Can you get me a set too. Its def an upgrade. You can always sell you itr cams to get money back spent on the pros. Someone will buy them.
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Old Dec 23, 2008 | 05:13 AM
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Skunk2 Tuner Stg1's are also a step over ITR Cams, something to consider..........
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Old Dec 23, 2008 | 05:17 AM
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be careful w/the big valves and pro1's... check the v2v clearance
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Old Dec 23, 2008 | 06:31 AM
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Default Re: pro 1's or stock 97 spec itr cams?

I'm in the same boat justin, I want to run some big cams but I have +1mm valves so need to measure first.
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Old Dec 23, 2008 | 06:57 AM
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the current head on the car has stock sized valves now. so i might just have to go with the current head and ditch the idea of getting the other one
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Old Dec 23, 2008 | 07:04 AM
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I'd pick up the Pro1's and leave the valve size stock.

And still check V2V.

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Old Dec 23, 2008 | 07:06 AM
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pro 1's FTW. just be careful with if you are running oversized valves. you should be ok with pro1's though as long as you don't go crazy adjusting the gears.
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Old Dec 23, 2008 | 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by ACTION JACTION
Pro 1's hands down, especially with that turbo. Some say you will spool faster as well.

We seen 60-80whp difference @ midrange 5800-7000rpm between them...

Skunk2 Pro1 all the way...

They are inside our CFT Red Hatch... 850+whp 160+mph

CFT :->
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Old Dec 23, 2008 | 05:44 PM
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The Skunk2 Pro 1's without a doubt.. They make power over ITR cams hands down.. Check out this graph, both runs at the same boost level, ITR cams vs. Sk2 Pro 1's..

http://locashracing.com/dyno/jake-IT...vs-sk2pro1.JPG
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Old Dec 23, 2008 | 06:04 PM
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+150whp is insane, and spools a couple hundred rpm sooner, guess there is your answer....lol
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Old Dec 23, 2008 | 08:29 PM
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You will be fine with oversized vales, just make sure your compression isn't too high, and that you check all your clearances. Get the PRO 1's Justin.
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Old Dec 23, 2008 | 08:42 PM
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Wow. That graph is nearly unbelievable. I'm speechless.
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Default Re: pro 1's or stock 97 spec itr cams?

Originally Posted by locash
The Skunk2 Pro 1's without a doubt.. They make power over ITR cams hands down.. Check out this graph, both runs at the same boost level, ITR cams vs. Sk2 Pro 1's..

http://locashracing.com/dyno/jake-IT...vs-sk2pro1.JPG
omg. well im getting the cams this week. sold my itr's for almost the same price im getting the pro1's for. told you it was cheep
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Old Dec 23, 2008 | 10:36 PM
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pro 1's here...
395hp @ 10.9psi easy hp!!!
the bad wont pass the smog cuz you have to degreed them too much to make power
and eratic idle, my car sounds like a harley motorcycle when idleling...
overall: great camshafts

hey guys i was told by a friend that, if your boosting 15psi (gsr camshaft) making 400hp vs 12psi (pro1's) making 400hp the block gets the same abuse...
it's that true??
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Old Dec 23, 2008 | 11:25 PM
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Make sure to degree them in too!
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Old Dec 24, 2008 | 05:31 AM
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That plot above...

Was the same ramp rate used on both runs?

What pressures?

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Old Dec 24, 2008 | 06:40 AM
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42 psi, and either 6 or 7 second ramp rate, I dont remember off the top of my head..
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Old Dec 24, 2008 | 06:43 AM
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Default Re: pro 1's or stock 97 spec itr cams?

Street car or race car and what EMS?
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Old Dec 24, 2008 | 06:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Blown90hatcH
Street car or race car and what EMS?
its past a street car now. lol. i may drive it here and there but idk. hondata s300
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Old Dec 24, 2008 | 07:04 AM
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Default Re: pro 1's or stock 97 spec itr cams?

Originally Posted by locash
42 psi, and either 6 or 7 second ramp rate, I dont remember off the top of my head..
42psi on both tests?

What settle-in time?

Were both runs done in the same ramp and settle-in times?

Do you have a copy of the graph with the 'Show Data' option clicked on the DynaPack?

- Derek

EDIT: Sorry if this is a bit nosey of me, I'm just curious. :D

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Old Dec 24, 2008 | 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by locash
42 psi, and either 6 or 7 second ramp rate, I dont remember off the top of my head..
Did it take more duty cycle to reach the same boost after the cams were put in?
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Old Dec 24, 2008 | 08:07 AM
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Keep in mind guys. When you install these cams, and if you want to see a difference like Jake did. You need to degree the cams! It will make your life easier. Make sure you have someone that knows how to degree them, help you.
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Originally Posted by locash
The Skunk2 Pro 1's without a doubt.. They make power over ITR cams hands down.. Check out this graph, both runs at the same boost level, ITR cams vs. Sk2 Pro 1's..

http://locashracing.com/dyno/jake-IT...vs-sk2pro1.JPG
Skunk2 Pro 1's getting it done. Good job on the tuning locash.
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