Hi. Guys!!!

I need a little help.
I'm going build my h22 prelude. My goal is 280hp in best case, in worst 260hp. I think it will be around 13 sec. or a little more.

My problem.
1. For me is very important price caz i live in Kazakhstan and alse I have to pay for delivery.
2. Alse In KZ no one build h22 still. One guy work with honda he builded b20b16 240hp, b18 240hp and hies last car b16 turbo around 500hp and last time he showed 11.72/244km it is around 152k miles as I remember. But hes prices imposibul for me and as I know he worked only with skunk2. Hi is the only one guy how build hondas in our country.

Thats why I whant to build by myself. And polishing head too. I hope he will help me a little.

3. I know one guy how build H22.
f22 crank with rods
wesco pistons 88 11.5 comp
440cc inj
no name heder as I have.
Hondata with 12.5 afr (we don't have dyno)
cams crower st2
camgaers skunk2 tune
kms springs and retaners (by the way anybody know wich springs are they, caz number as supertech and retaners no name on them)

But he's runing as stok may be a little faster but not for 5000$ wich put inside.

Now he's whant turbo

4. This car should be for everyday.


So.
Block

Is it posibul to have 280ph with stock crank? or I realy need 95mm
88 or 87.5 with 11.5 comp pistons i think is good caz I anyway have to sleeve
brands: mahle, wesco, type S caz it is wery good price for me 599 with wesco rods but i don't know they have 11.5 comp

For me price very importnt but if I need 100-200 doll to get much better I will cuz I anyway put a lot of money.

head

sure to have max power it is skunk2 pro3 but people telling that it is much loosing power even in mid rang.

Now I'm stand on 2 types

1. Crower st3 - very good price but not much power
2. webcam - little better then skunk2 st 2 pro and I so very good dyno on them and price cheeper then skunk2.

springs and retainers

1. supertech cheep and not steef 80psi and as i so ewerybody using
2. kms very cheep 85psi but I don't know are thay good or not



I think it's all for now

 

Borat???

 

Allmost

 

So you want Naturally Aspirated or Forced Induction. It pretty hard to get to 280hp doing N/A. If you are going Turbo you can't have as high of compession ratio you were talking about. It will have to be closer to 9:1. Turbo is alot easier to make the power goals you want and will be cheaper.

GREAT SUCCESS, VERY NICE!!!!

 

dude. how are you going to make fun of him, how many for you can speak Kazakh, id say his english is very advanced sense,NONE of you can speak his native language. the flaming on this site is ridiculus ugh...

but sorry bud, its going to be real hard to do any kind of tuning snese you have no way to use a dyno :/ and if you did. running 9:1 compression and turbo would be the easyest way to get to 280hp, but then again u still have to tune it...

 

I' don't care about it I even didn't see this move, but some people telling that is very funy. And I'm not a kazakh , I'm russian and know only russian and engish a little.

About my project. Many people telling me that turbo is the best way to get 300-350hp and cheeper then atmo. But I whant atmo prelude. I know that 280hp is very difficult to get but as I seid 260hp is normal for me and if I get it I'll be satisfied ether.

+ My auto on weels now, and I have another block. Now I'm looking for new head. Caz I droped one valve and you can imaging what happend. After I bought new engine and runing now on them.

 

I KNEW there would be Borat references after I read the post. One of the reasons why the rest of the world thinks Americans are so stupid and conceited.

 

Naturally Aspirated

 

As I can understand No one going help me.

That's what heppend with my old head

http://www.honda-club.kz/forum/index.php?topic=488.0

 

Help me make one desision. To get my goal do I need to move on f22 95mm crancshaft or just take bigger pitons, and move on?

 

no replacement for displacement

 

what does it mean?

 

American's generally are morons.....


yeah diff bigger pistons if going n/a.


what octane fuel can you get there anyway?

 

I'm using only 95-98 fuel but it's worst then your fuel. It is your's 93 I gues.

 

Hi there. Well, i'm the person Bucks mentioned above.
And i've really screwed up with my NA biuld.
H22A with f22 crank and rods
Wiseco 89mm pistons.
CR about 12.2-12.3
Noname ebay header and custom 63mm catback.
Crower Stage2 cams, KMS valvetrain
Street tuned with Hondata to 12.8 AFR at WOT.
And damn, i'm just slightly better than stock JDM lude with exhaust and chipped ECU.
I understand that my problem is in bad header and stock ports and stock IM. So for me it's quite obvious that my car would not run too fast.


Now, here's my question. Are there any h beam rods for f22/h23 in US for reasonable cost? The only of-the-shelf offer i found is Crower.
And some unknown Spark racing rods. http://sparkracing.net/frodh_honda_h23.aspx
Pretty cheap but i've never met any builds with these rods. Have anybody heard of them? Any good?

 

I used them on my h23 build they seemed to work ok. no problems for me. The spark rods.

 

First of all, I wasn't making fun of the way he speaks. I WAS MAKING A JOKE. Do you know what that is? I also offered some valid input on his problem so I'm not making fun of him.

 

Guys, I'm going use skunk2 pro 2 cams, and thinking about using supertech springs?
Any body trying this way?

 

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There are people who have done it with success, yes. Would I recommend it? Don't know. I tried it, I have no issues. I also don't rev the crap out of my H22. You might just want to spend the money on the skink2 pro valvesprings. Check the supertech specs vs. the skunk2 cams needs, go from there.

As to the bottom, f22 crank no, same as an H22 crank. Get the f23 crank and block from a Honda Odyssey van or older (1998-2001??) Accord.

Carillo makes a set of forged rods for it.

Use wiseco pistons. They will custom make them to your needs.

It will fit, you will have a iron sleeved block and will see your 250hp with proper street tuning.

Make sure its well tuned through and CHECK THE CLEARANCES. Many have tried this combo and failed due to clearance issues.

Have fun.

EDIT: See here: https://honda-tech.com/forums/hybrid-engine-swaps-18/my-f23-h22-87x97mm-h2b-build-2252451/

 

Thanks

 

I know that I can use another block but I will go with my h22 and put in some good sleeves with 89mm bore siez pistons 11.5 comp.

 

F22 crank is not same as H22. F22 crank is absolutely same as H23 crank, and has 95mm stroke. H22 has 90.7 mm stroke. F23 crank is 97mm. f23 crank is only 2mm more than f22 but it requires a different block, and f22 crank don't. So i dont believe it's worth it if we already have h22 block.

There is no need to custom order Wiseco pistons because there are off-the-shelf offers of 89mm bore pistons from Wiseco.

 

with f22 crank you'll have 12+ CR on Wiseco 89mm pistons.

 

I need to read more and not comment on the last post. You are right, on both counts. Still, hope it works. Luck.