Looking to purchase a prelude type s for race track racing. Type r a little to expensive for me.Besides the Prelude will also be my DD. Can a type s Prelude, modified ofcourse, be as good as the type r in power and handling. Thanks

 

You can make the power but it will never handle like an R.

 

For the amount of money you're gonna put into a Prelude I guarantee you can afford an R.

 

I assume you're just doing HPDE's since the car will be a daily driver. Since that's the case, speed should be the last thing you're worried about as learning is the most important thing.

So with that said, who cares if a Prelude can keep up with an R. You're not out there to race for a time anyways.

 

your are way better off in the long run, by buying a Prelude SH. there quite a bit cheaper than the Type R, and with little or no modding, they will smoke a Type R any day, and still have the luxury at the end.

 

LOL
You are not an obvious troll or anything.

Where's the "luxury" in a Prelude.

 

Why the hell are u going to bash my opinion, the OP asked a question, and i answered him. The prelude by far is way more comfortable inside and out than the Type R. The Type R was built with one thing in mind; to be track ready.

 

Are a little uptight? Take a second. Reread my post and tell me where I bashed your opinion?

Again, where is the "luxury" in a Prelude?

And since you brought up the Type R's track readiness, how do you think a Prelude is faster on a track since you just admitted the Type R was made for it?

 

Well first of all the Type R's engineers wanted to build a track ready machine, but the prelude is just as fast with its bigger displacement motor. The prelude was built more for comfort and driveability of the everyday driver. Don't get me wrong the Type R is nice, but since owning one and now a Prelude SH, i would prefer the Prelude over the Type R.

Oh and you did bash my opinion, cause you incinuated that i was a Troll, wtf is up with that.

 

Just as fast? A Prelude is what? A 1000lbs heavier than a R? Has No LSD. Doesn't rev as high. Prelude SH (stock)only had 5hp more on a US R. Can you explain how the Prelude is faster on a track? This just isn't computing. What am I missing?

I agree, the prelude was built more for comfort and driveability of the everyday driver.

I have driven both extensively as well, so that leads me too ask. Did you ever track your R and your Prelude or just keep them on the street?

I did incinuate you are a troll.
1. Your name has Prelude in it
2. your 1st post just happens to be a "pro Prelude" post.
3. lastly a new account

It was pretty obvious and I shouldn't have to spell that one out for you. Clear as day. Thats not bashing your opinion.

 

First the prelude does not weigh 1g more. the Type R weighs 2650lb and the prelude SH weighs 2949lb thats what my title says. Also the prelude's h22 has 200hp and 161tq, thats more than the Type R. Also the prelude has and LSD its called ATTS. The Type R may be better at the track but its not that much better, its not a ferrari. Also i did track both my cars, and for the money the prelude is a better deal. why spend 16k on a type R than 8k on a prelude with 3g's of suspension and it will handle better, that seems like a waste to me.
Also i don't want to argue anymore about the bashing thing, its not worth the time. But if you want i can give you a complete list of the specs of a Prelude SH VS Type R, and the prelude is well worth the money.

 

Now we are getting somewhere.

I'm down for the spec lists too.

 

Lol good stuff

 

Here's a pretty good thread debating the actual efficacy of the ATTS unit vs. Helical LSD.

It does not take into account any experiences with clutch pack (Kaaz, cusco etc) LSDs though.

http://www.preludeonline.com/f67/lsd...-again-226991/

And purely going by specs, the SH is basically 300lbs heavier than the R with more or less the same power. The ITR has superior gearing too.

The mechanical advantage will always be with the ITR, ATTS or not.

But strip some weight out of a Prelude and outfit it with proper tires (The stock RE92s are a joke) and you have the JDM Prelude SiR S-Spec with Helical LSD and no sunroof....and maybe a better direct comparison too.

 

Problems with the Prelude, regardless of what "preludedomination" thinks:

1) Has far too much weight (3042lbs, Type SH), and most of that additional weight is over the front wheels. The battery is over the bumper and the H22 + tranny is far heavier than the B18 + tranny

2) Prelude is not geared that well for a track car

3) Prelude SH has a worthless ATTS in it--that again--adds extra weight. If you must have a Prelude, get a base.

4) Prelude has a worthless back seat and an extremely small trunk. ITR has a much larger back seat area and a nice trunk area. Basically, you can haul more with the ITR.

5) Whatever you can do to the Prelude, you can do to the ITR. If you cut off 200 lbs on the lude, you can do the same to the ITR. Point being, the Prelude will always be the heavier car. Always. And weight is the enemy. All you get with the lude is some extra torque.

6) B-series has a larger aftermarket

7) There was a reason why you didn't see any Preludes on the podium (circa 2000/2001) in the World Challenge Touring races. The Type R's were the dominant FWD for a reason.

8) ITR has a better/stiffer chassis

9) ITR has better brakes. You're gonna eat up pads and rotors on the heavier Prelude.

The Prelude is a nice car...don't get me wrong. But a better car for the track it is not. For a pure daily driver, it is just as nice and certainly it won't attract as much attention.

 

Coming from someone who has both cars, I will tell preludedomination from my PERSONAL experience with both cars, that you're an idiot (I have a 2000 Type-R, and a 1997 Type-SH).

My Type-SH is nowhere near on par with my Type-R, and the ONLY way it ever will be, is if I gut it to the bone, and spend thousands dialing in the suspension/brakes. I'm considering making the Prelude my track car (Simply because it's a Prelude, who gives a **** about it), but for the amount of work I'll need to do to it, I could do the same to a Type-R, and be twice as quick around turns.

Anyone who thinks they're even in the same ball park is stupid.

Prelude is like Honda's overweight pregnent chic that you end up with because you're out of options, and you need something NOW.

 

I will actually have to agree with everyone else here. My sister had a 00 Prelude and I have a 00 ITR. No way in hell that I'd say the Prelude is a "faster" car. Its way to heavy and my itr has more room =D

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9xqVTVMF98

 

With an H22(*) of several varieties, you can easily exceed the power that's normally obtained from the B18C(*) motors in the ITR. The H22 heads flow very nicely and there are all kinds of parts available to make power, although sometimes the parts are harder to find.

The Honda Challenge inaugural series in 2002 saw Corey Jacobs take the championship in a Prelude VTEC, easily besting the ITR competition.

Now, having said all this good stuff about the Prelude and the H22 VTEC....

You're basically going to be behind the ITR development when it comes to brakes and suspension. The old ITR brake system and OEM ABS are just very, very good and many people are on the track with 250 - 300 HP ITR who haven't felt the need to change the brake system.

The DC2 ITR was a homologation special, so the chassis was designed to allow for certain things out of the box. The Spoon/Mugen/Showa N1 suspension packages for these cars are expensive and conventional, but to this day they are virtually unbeatable in combination with the other things that make the DC2 ITR a unique vehicle.

To be honest, the only reason the DC2 ITR stopped winning world championships is because every time they won one in the years 1997 - 2005, the organisers made changes to the rules to slow them down, or changes to give other cars an advantage, or simply blatantly forced the ITR owners to add weights to the cars to slow them down.

Your H22 VTEC motor is great, no denying that. But it's going to be harder to find parts for it, and you're going to find it hard to beat the DC2 ITR as a foundation for a series track car, if you're serious about it.

:-)

Good luck, whatever you decide to do.

 

i have owned both as well.. a 00 prelude.. and still own a 00 ITR.. the prelde was definately nice to drive every day, but i love my ITR more.. its pretty much just about what you want to drive every day. i love the more raw nature of the ITR, but then you cant drive an ITR and leave it everywhere you could leave a prelude. preldues ride very nicely, and you dont usually worry bout them getting stolen much. and as far as track racing goes, ITR>prelude. /end lol

 

this did not happen at the track but i had a friend back in the day. he had turbo'd lude stock internals. he had 2 people in his and i had 4 people in my R with stock motor. i/h/e. i got him pretty good. and we went to 1/4 drag strip sometime after we pulled the same time but mine ran faster trap speed. and obviously ludes can't handle as good as the itrs

 

I cant believe 11yrs later people are having the same argument.

 

Obviously the Type R would be the #1 choice. What it comes down to is cash. Can you afford it? You can pick up a Type R for 10k or a little less. Not all are 15-16k. A prelude is 8k. It would be worth your while to save a little extra, and be happy in the long run. The R is a great daily by the way. It is comftorable, great on gas, great looking, fun, and girls want to touch your wiener when they see the R. Only down side is theft, which I say be careful and freak thieves. Get an R!

 

Prelude drivers have been in denial those same 11 years. It's just a new crop now.

If anything, the 93-96 VTEC lude was a better platform to start from.

 

indeed it is