Turn Signal Auto-Cancel? PLEASE HELP!!!
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My signals do not auto cancel. We tried replacing the MF switch. That didn't work. This only happens in cold weather. I have "loose" steering which is definately related. It is always temporary (it will work 4 months from now).
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so I found out that if your signals don't auto cancel (if originally designed to do so) in Pennsylvania, you fail the test.
[[edit -- hahaha I forgot to say what car I have!!!! '97 Civic Ex Coupe, D16y8 (sohc vtec) automatic, many system failures....lol]]
Here's the story - for the past 2.5 years, every winter, my signals don't auto cancel, and I switch them off myself. Every spring/summer time, they start working again, until it gets back to winter. I don't know if this is temp related or not, but its not working yet again.
Usually, when the signal don't auto cancel, its because the fingers brake off the gear widget, right? anyway, they're not broken off, because it miraculously works again in 4 months.
OTHER SYMPTOM===
when the signal stops working, my steering gets loose. Well, the steering wheel to wheel turn ratio is proper, but it feels jello-ey. Like I need less muscle to physically turn my steering wheel. Also, now that its broke, my steering doesn't automatically return to straight atfter a turn (well it does, but not as well as it used to whip back to neutral).
These steering alterations may or may not be temp related as well, but they only change EXACTLY the same time. every year, I notice my steering is wacky, so I'm like great - means my signals a popped - and sure enough...
ANYONE KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS?? My mechanic hardly believes me, so he sold me a new multifunction switch, and 300 bucks later, still nothing (got my refund, don't worry)
is there a clutch type thing around the steering column to register the turn signal? and also tighten the steering? thats what it feels like to me, but I've never been inside the steering column of a car in my life, so I've no clue.
My inspection is past due, please hurry with help!!!
My signals do not auto cancel. We tried replacing the MF switch. That didn't work. This only happens in cold weather. I have "loose" steering which is definately related. It is always temporary (it will work 4 months from now).
==========LONG VERSION=========
so I found out that if your signals don't auto cancel (if originally designed to do so) in Pennsylvania, you fail the test.
[[edit -- hahaha I forgot to say what car I have!!!! '97 Civic Ex Coupe, D16y8 (sohc vtec) automatic, many system failures....lol]]
Here's the story - for the past 2.5 years, every winter, my signals don't auto cancel, and I switch them off myself. Every spring/summer time, they start working again, until it gets back to winter. I don't know if this is temp related or not, but its not working yet again.
Usually, when the signal don't auto cancel, its because the fingers brake off the gear widget, right? anyway, they're not broken off, because it miraculously works again in 4 months.
OTHER SYMPTOM===
when the signal stops working, my steering gets loose. Well, the steering wheel to wheel turn ratio is proper, but it feels jello-ey. Like I need less muscle to physically turn my steering wheel. Also, now that its broke, my steering doesn't automatically return to straight atfter a turn (well it does, but not as well as it used to whip back to neutral).
These steering alterations may or may not be temp related as well, but they only change EXACTLY the same time. every year, I notice my steering is wacky, so I'm like great - means my signals a popped - and sure enough...
ANYONE KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS?? My mechanic hardly believes me, so he sold me a new multifunction switch, and 300 bucks later, still nothing (got my refund, don't worry)
is there a clutch type thing around the steering column to register the turn signal? and also tighten the steering? thats what it feels like to me, but I've never been inside the steering column of a car in my life, so I've no clue.
My inspection is past due, please hurry with help!!!
Last edited by jclark5093; Nov 27, 2008 at 08:38 PM. Reason: added short version to OP
this is required for inspection... sorry I wrote so much, but it is a complicated problem, which required a complicated description.
SHORT VERSION=========
My signals do not auto cancel. We tried replacing the MF switch. That didn't work. This only happens in cold weather. I have "loose" steering which is definately related. It is always temporary (it will work 4 months from now).
SHORT VERSION=========
My signals do not auto cancel. We tried replacing the MF switch. That didn't work. This only happens in cold weather. I have "loose" steering which is definately related. It is always temporary (it will work 4 months from now).
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Have you taken out the clockspring and checked it out? There's a tab on the clockspring that will hit a tab on the multi-function switch to cancel the turn signal. My guess is possibly the tab broke off one of them and is not canceling the signal. Check there.
That was my first assumption, and I didn't care to repair it, so I replaced the switch. if Either part is "broken" though, it would not explain how the system miraculously works in the spring time... if it is shifted out of phase, or somesuch, this might make sense...
Maybe I'll have to rip the wheel off and take a look once and for all... I just really want to know what I'm looking for before I do...
Maybe I'll have to rip the wheel off and take a look once and for all... I just really want to know what I'm looking for before I do...
Clocksprings are relatively easy to do as long as you have a gear puller/steering wheel puller. I've done a few of them as recalls on the Chrysler vans.
All it involves on those is removing the airbag section of the steering wheel via the bolts on the backside of the wheel, unplugging the connectors from the clockspring that go to the horn, cruise, airbag, etc., removing the nut holding the steering wheel on, then using your gear puller to pull the steering wheel off the column, then removing the plastic bezels around the multi-function and wiper switches, then removing the clockspring. It's pretty basic to do and should only take you an hour at most.
All it involves on those is removing the airbag section of the steering wheel via the bolts on the backside of the wheel, unplugging the connectors from the clockspring that go to the horn, cruise, airbag, etc., removing the nut holding the steering wheel on, then using your gear puller to pull the steering wheel off the column, then removing the plastic bezels around the multi-function and wiper switches, then removing the clockspring. It's pretty basic to do and should only take you an hour at most.
hmm... is this in the haynes manual? I'd love to see some pics before I go screwing around in there... (I know the wheel/srs removal and replacement is there, but is the clockspring thingy?)
if anyone knows any pic sets/tutorial/threads to link, that would be infinately appreciated!!!
if anyone knows any pic sets/tutorial/threads to link, that would be infinately appreciated!!!
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