okay say i have a 96 LX/EX accord Automatic... and i have 10K to drop into it... what are all the nessescary mods (All type of part and company) I'm posting this for a friend who is going to be getting that kind of accord for free (from a relative) and is selling his current car and is planning on dropping all the money into the ENGINE of the accord.
All types of set ups are welcome... FI/All Motor/Nitrous or even a combo also i want to be able to make this car street legal so it can still be daily driven? What is the fastest 1/4 mile time we can achieve w/ a street legal Accord?
10K is a lot to drop into an engine so i'm sure we'll be able to make it hella fast... and no we don't want to drop a new motor into that that is too much dinero.
Right now we're thinking turbo kit for starters we don't really know much about performance cam shafts and **** in the engine... so like part names brand what they do and how much they cost would be appreciated.
I know some of you performance experts would love to drop 10K into a car so here's your chance to help us out.

 

a waste of cash. Best thing you could do is sell it and get a car that has real potential for speed. An auto Accord is not the ticket.

Get a late model Mustang or Camaro and build that engine. You'll be in the 12's with the money you're looking spend.

 

How to make it fast?

1. Push it out of a plane.

2. Sell the Accord and buy something else with the ~12k from the car and the ~10k for the engine. That's 22k!

3. Motor swap H22 (Prelude motor) or H23 (Accord motor)=~2500 and add a turbo= ~2500, cams, VAFC (basically a new and programmable ECU for your car), blah blah blah. Make sure you swap in a Prelude manual transmission with LSD (limited slip differential)=~300

Add nitrous to season accordingly=~600

Do a search for 2point6 on this website. I believe his Accord runs 12's


Wait a minute, I don't even own a Honda.

 

okay getting a domestic might be an option... but they don't handle nearly as well as lightweight honda's... and it's not as fun to hook up and be able to say ...i have this and this and this under my hood, also we're probably gonna go for the sleeper effect w/ appearance and embarasses the **** out of people who think they are big ballers.

 

Well you were talking 1/4 times so i didn't think handling was important only straight line speed. If you want handling get an older AWD Turbo Eclipse or a used VR6 GTI and turbo it. You'll be hella fast and won't have to mess with the bottle which is pretty lame if you ask me. Betting someone with pure displacement or a big whooshing turbo is more fun.

 

okay lets move back to making the accord fast w/ the budget as opposed to ditching the accord and buying something else.... this is the accord forum i thought y'all would all be accord junkies come on now y'all.

 

well, it will be a big waste of cash, but to answer your question:


first thing is first, new engine...there are mixed opinions...some think the h22 is better, some think the h23 is better...in my opinion, the h23 is better for a turbo...it has less to go wrong and you don't really need the vtec with the turbo...but that's my opinion and others on this board will disagree.

second of all: build up the bottom end and make it a strong motor internally...you can also build up the head as well so that you can push as many psi's through the engine as possible...also get a new computer or something to tune the computer (hondata for example)...tune the bitch...and you will want some high flow fuel injectors as well...i recomend 550's...they'll do you nicely with a turbo!

third: get a useable everyday turbo, maybe a td04 for example, something that is small but can add a good amount of power and is usable on the h22/h23 powerband...push about 10 psi through...also get a large intercooler to aid the turbo...with all that you should see anywhere from 350-400hp....

that is a usable daily driver...and a track car if you wanted...

edit: swap the tranny out as well...get a manual in that bitch!


[Modified by nickh2k1, 1:36 AM 7/31/2002]

 

does Drag 3 make good turbo kits?

 

No. Just get FMax.

 

get neither, go custom! more power potential plus you will save money!

 

Just go with a custom turbo setup on either the h22/h23, just be sure to build the bottom end, etc, lowest compression pistons(JE), other goodies.

Custom setup might include:
Garrett T3/T4
Custom Fabricated Manifold from South Florida Performance, get it coated too.
Custom Downpipe, probably from SFP too, or talk to Arturbo on the site.
HKS SSQ/Greddy BOV
Tial 35/40mm Wastegate
HKS/Greddy Profec B Digital Boost Controller
HKS/Greddy Turbo Timer
RC 410/550 CC Injectors
Walbro Fuel Pump(intank)
Something to tune it, probably go with a Hondata unit or AEM EMS, going to need a compatible ECU as well.
Get a free flowing exhaust, possibly a test pipe, at least 2.5"(See if Thermal Research makes a turbo exhaust for our car, don't think they do.

Our ignition systems "should" be good for up to 500HP, but you can do the aftermarket stuff if you want, like MSD or Jacobs Ice Pack if thats what its called, I say if it isn't broke, don't fix it.

Go to http://www.levelten.com and get a torque converter or just buy a built transmission.

But overall, I'd just get a different car.

 

either go with h22, or if you want...h23 with turbo

upgrading the f22 isn't worth the money...we all love our accords and know the limits...

 

I still say ditch the auto man, you could find a nice 5th gen coupe 5spd, but they are hard to find, then go wit the H22A and go custom turbo, but thats what i would do, so its all up to you and your auto if you dont want to sell it.

 

you obviously don't know what you are talking about.... the f22 has plenty of power potential if you know how to go about modifying the car... the money you save in not buying an h22/h23 could easily be compared to the money it would take to make the f22 reach the same amount of power...


[Modified by nickh2k1, 9:55 PM 7/31/2002]

 

 

I agree, but I'm doing the swap for reliability wise. Timing belt, clutch, and just reaching 100k miles makes me want to do the swap. Don't get me wrong, I love the f22b1, runs great, but I know in the long run, I'll have to drop a grip in it down the road to fix it. I suggest you just get a tranny swap and build the f22b1. I'm goin h22 because I can't go nitrous/turbo without having to worry a lot due to miles and if something goes wrong, I'm screwed... each to their own. Neither way is good or bad. Just don't say I have a lot of money, and want to go fast but don't want to drop a new engine. It's common sense, build it up or go turbo or nitrous. Go to a local shop, and they'll hook you up with some nawwwwwwwwwz..

 

Tehehe, don't use 100k as reasoning for an engine swap, maybe if you said like 300k, but 100k c'mon, Hondas take that in stride.

 

still .. why would you WASTE 10 grand. this is a hobby and a way of life to most. but come on use your head..

 

Mmm, I have to agree. 10K is alot to drop on a 'hobby' that might get: jacked, totaled, engine f'ed by incompetent mechanics, etc. Not to mention the downtime, little problems, finding parts for, sorting out, etc. you'll need to do to make everything just-right. Your insurance would not pay for sheit either if anything happened (in terms of mods...remember, your paying insurance to insure a 'stock' accord). Why not use the car as it is (with some upgrades of course) or sell it and by something with more performance potential. Invest that 10k into furthering your education, get a better job and then buy a new S2000 or a Boxster which would REALLY be an ***-kicker/bitch-car. And then there'd be no worry about emissions testings, cooling problems, compatibility issues, blah-blah-blah more over recouping your investment when it comes time to sell. Remember: it's JUST a 96 accord. From a potential buyers point of view, would YOU pay 10-14k for this 96 accord in 2 or 3 years no matter what engine is in their?

I really like the miata idea....RWD, perfect balance, 5spd, good aftermarket support, turbo/supercharge/v8 are options, cheap, roadster...drivers car for sure!

Not to kill your ideas or anything...just thoughts...

 

http://www.jgenginedynamics.com/enginepack

they used to have prices listed...and i believe it came out to about $10k for one of their turbo engines...fully built, turbo setup, standalone, etc etc...

and the H22's make around 550-600 to the wheels...should be enough eh?

 

I agree with this except for the part about it being a big waste of cash.If I had 10 grand,I would sink it into my Accord without hesitation.The whole point of modifying an Accord is to NOT do what everyone else is doing.Oh yay!! Another 12 sec Mustang,wow that must have been hard to do.I would love to pull up next to these type cars ,who think they are the shizznit, and blow their doors off in my "family car". The point is Honda does more with less.These domestic guys laugh at our 4 cylinders but when they line up next to someone like 2point6's Accord they must **** their pants when they get beat. I'm disappointed to hear the Accord forum say sell it and buy a faster factory car.

 

I've called JG Engine Dynamics before about pricing on their custom turbo setups and (H22s anyway) they were more in the neighborhood of 15-18 grand.These are fully built streetable race engines though pushing up to 28 PSI of boost (on 110 octane race gas). And yes if I had the money I wouldn't think twice about dropping that cash for one of these engines.I couldn't even imagine that kind of HP....
{drooling now}

 

I have to agree 100% with this. I work with a person who bought a 94 miata with 125 ( i think) hp stock at the engine. He put in about $4k into the car and brought it up to 142 at the wheels. Thats probably a 60 hp gain to the engine for that little price. For just a bit more he could have turbo'd rather than supercharged. basically, i believe you can bring a miata up to a good 400 hp for the money you want to dump into your accord, and the miata will handle much better, and be much lighter so it will seem even faster.

 

i love my f22b1, F/I here I come.

 

buy scrubachu's car for 5k, use the other 5k to slap on a custom turbo on the h22, and youll be running super fast. that easy