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Old Nov 7, 2008 | 11:32 PM
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so i was driving, i have a random b series transmission with lsd, not sure if its aftermarket or oem. So The transmission pops out of third every now and then, yes it was abused in the past. anyways i was downshifting to third, letting it engine brake and then taking a left turn, during the left turn i gassed it and then there was no power to the wheels. I can put it into all 12345r gears without pressing the clutch, but it doesn't go into gear? it just moves there. It's been raining alot. Throwout bearing was put in by last owner of the motor, but iunno if it was done correctly. This was instant, no loud noises, just stopped getting power to the wheels.

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Throwout bearing, i remember it falling out when i was putting the tranny back on the motor, i just shoved it in.

Clutch, some type of water getting onto the clutch wearing it out faster???(i'm just bullshitting with this, iunno)

shift linkage, bitch pin came off, i hand checked it and it seemed like its working well, pulled the boot back and saw the rod being pushed into the tranny and out.

Internal transmission damage, but there was no noise, usually if something inside the tranny breaks, it'll make a scrap noise.

axles came off some how some way.......

differential fudged up? i dont know much about lsd, but could this have been the problem?
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Old Nov 7, 2008 | 11:42 PM
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Sounds like your clutch isnt being pressed against the flywheel at all, drop the tranny and see whats going on. Not much other way to figure out why.

You say your throwout bearing fell out and you shoved it in? Where did you "just shoved it in"?

Water/worn out clutch, I doubt it.

Obviously not shift linkage, you can feel it shift.

Internal tranny damage, I doubt it, sounds more like nothing spinning the tranny...


With the engine off and the tranny in first does it roll?
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Old Nov 7, 2008 | 11:47 PM
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ummm, im not sure, but if i leave it in first and start it it doesnt move, and if i move it, with or without the clutch to all the gears it doesnt move. But how would the clutch and flywheel just stop touching each other and stay open? shouldn't it stay closed? Any input would be great.
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Old Nov 8, 2008 | 05:43 AM
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did you check the shifter linkage didn't fall off underneath ?
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Old Nov 8, 2008 | 06:58 AM
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nope still connected, it was too dark to see if the bitch pin was still in, but im like 99% sure its still in.
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Old Nov 8, 2008 | 12:27 PM
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Old Nov 8, 2008 | 01:12 PM
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I missed the bit where the throwout bearing fell out and you shoved it back in ? your words, not mine, I'd investigate that if I were you.

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Old Nov 8, 2008 | 07:20 PM
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can anyone tell me all of the possible problems? This doesn't make much sense to me on how this could happen. any and all input is welcomed.
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Old Nov 8, 2008 | 07:43 PM
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First go test right now, put it in first, with the engine off can you roll it (don't touch your clutch and make sure ebrake is not on).

If it can roll your clutch is not gripping the flywheel on the motor.


Please review the Helms or similar manual on how the clutch is installed and then I would take off the transmission and reinstall it making sure the clutch is installed correctly.

You say you were having issues with the throwout bearing, see if everything is installed correctly. If you have the file "USDM_92-93_civic.pdf" (the Helm's manual which is all over the net) its page 339 for the clutch, its several pages I dont feel like screen capping them and pasting them here.
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Old Nov 9, 2008 | 06:51 AM
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what if something inernally was wrong with the transmission, the roll test wont work. ill check the bearing when i have the chance, had the car towed to my uncles house because he has a garage.
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Old Nov 9, 2008 | 07:24 AM
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if the linkage fell off under the shifter you wouldnt see it hanging under the car... it would fall against the exhaust......you shuld not be able to put the car in all gears without pressing the clutch while it is running!!!
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Old Nov 9, 2008 | 07:25 AM
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sounds like the gear selector bushing took a doo doo!!! just my opinion!! and just so you know there aint no way on this god given green earth that your throw out bearing just fell out and you just popped it in...unless you skipped the part about pullin the tranny!!
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Old Nov 9, 2008 | 08:03 AM
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the tranny was out, and while moving it to a different location it popped out. so i popped it back in and it was fine. Gunna head up there today and do some work.
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Old Nov 9, 2008 | 09:05 AM
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thanks fo clarifyin!!
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Old Nov 9, 2008 | 10:35 AM
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just checked it out, the clutch is moving the fork back and forth, so the bearing is doing its job. was rollable when i put it in first and rolled it, gunna just swap tranny and then i'll go from there.
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Old Nov 9, 2008 | 01:19 PM
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output shaft splines stripped, but that normally makes a gord awfull noise. Input shat to the gearbox broke, differential snapped inside, gears lost all their teeth, clutch is not engaging, flywheel fell off,
Come on man, we can't keep guessing, you gottah take the gearbox off and look.
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Old Nov 16, 2008 | 03:37 PM
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pulled tranny, spinned the thing by hand. only the bumpy silver thing spins, the splines inside doesnt spin.
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